The Patrick Madrid Show: September 22, 2026 - Hour 1

0:00Hi Patrick Madrid here. Thanks for listening. Check out charity mobile and prayerfully consider making them your wireless carrier. Mention offer code Patrick and get a free phone. Go to charitymobile.com. Compelling insights. Unpredictable conversations. Encouragement for your day. It's the Patrick Madrid show. Unroved radio. It's a household name. You know I'd like to think so Cyrus. Let's make it a household name shall we? Welcome everybody. This is the Patrick Madrid show. My name is Patrick Madrid. Oddly enough. And here's my number 888-914-9149. If you call that number you can get on the air with your comments or question. 888-914-9149. And I'm always on the lookout for your emails. I love them. Get a lot of them. Happy to receive them. Send them to patrickatrelevantradio.com.

1:01Well take care of it a little a loose end apparently. A lady named, where is her name? Claudia had sent an email in and I responded to it at some length. And then she wrote back and said you didn't answer my question. So let me read the original question. And here goes. She's in a sticky situation of close friend of 40 years has offered to throw a party for one of her children. Her being the lady who wrote this Claudia. In engagement party wedding shower she's not a Christian. She has quite a bit of Buddha start including two Buddha heads displayed in her home. Would it be appropriate for a Catholic to have a party hosted in her home? I know she simply sees this as art thanks for your comments. Okay well then actually it was anonymous, wrong name there, anonymous. So I read it and then I responded to it. It was actually one of the longer responses of the show which is saying a lot because I have a tendency to give longer responses typically

2:06than shorter ones. But in any case, she wrote back and said nope he did not answer my question. He didn't even address my question. What? She says I'm very aware of what our faith teaches on weddings. My question for Patrick was what about having a dear friend who wants to host a wedding shower engagement party where a large our large family and friends mostly Catholic will be in attendance. But the hostess has Buddha art throughout her home. Is this is this kind of like the Protestant or Hindu wedding? She's not Catholic so we don't expect her to act like one. Or do we create scandal by having an event at a home with Buddhas? Well, I answered that at great length. I said yes, I think it would be entirely appropriate. I think it'd be a great opportunity. I actually went back and listened to the whole thing. And so maybe anonymous didn't hear it herself. I'm not sure. But I did indeed answer it. And the point is I take a glass as half full kind of

3:09optimistic approach to these kind of opportunities where you might have a chance to share the faith with her. Talk to her about Jesus. Don't you remember I talked about all that? And remember how I talked about St. Paul in the area of apagus in Athens, Acts, chapter 17, man of Athens. I see that in every way you are very religious. And I see that here you have a shrine to the unknown god. And I'm here to tell you who that god is. Remember all that? Remember Doc Martin? Remember I talked about how that's how we got on the Doc Martin Jagg. By the way, Sarah, I did watch that this was started Doc Martin. Oh wow. Okay. What was because of the Buddha thing? And then I flashed on to the image of Doc Martin had a Buddha statue in his office, his surgery as they say. So I spent a lot of time and I was happy to do so because it's a good question. But I'm not really sure what you mean when you say that I didn't answer it. I said, yes, I think it would be a

4:09good idea for you and your big Catholic family to take up this lady's kind offering and have your party there with the Buddhist statues, by the way, because no, I don't think it would create a scandal. I think it would be an opportunity for evangelization for her to see what devoted followers of Jesus Christ look like. And maybe that would be a way to draw her in. Now, obviously the choice is yours and your daughter's whoever is getting married. That's up to you. But you asked for my opinion and I did give it to you. And I'm giving it again. Basically, it's the same thing in short form. So thank you for giving me an opportunity to reinforce the answer that I gave you yesterday. God bless you. And I hope it's a wonderful party. And I hope that the lady with the Buddhist statues is going to mass with you and your family before too long. Wouldn't that be awesome? 888-914-9149. Here is a... I had it right here and it's... it is right here,

5:13but it's under another piece of paper. Here is a note from... This is... Oh, you know what? This is from Pat in Virginia and I answered Pat's email yesterday. So that should not have been in this pile here. This is a note here. By the way, emails go to patrogaterelevantradio.com. This is from John. He says, I met you years ago at a talk that you gave that was hosted by the Carmelite Sisters in Elhamber, California. That's great. I remember those days of speaking there at the retreat center in Elhamber. Wonderful group of sisters. By the way, young ladies, if you're considering a vocation to the religious life, be sure to get in touch with the Carmelite Sisters of the most sacred heart of Los Angeles. They have a Convent and a Retreat Center on Elhamber Road in Elhamber, which is just down the street from Pasadena. It's actually not far. So I remember that movie Father of the Bride, of course you do. Father of the Bride, Steve Martin. Steve Martin, yeah.

6:17That house is just like a mile or two from the Carmelite Sisters. The exterior shots of that house from the movie. Oh, that's fun. Yeah, it's neat. And it looks just like, you know, it did then and the the Iranian businessman Eugene Levy. Levy Levy. Remember, he was going to buy it and tear it down. It's still there. Oh, good. He didn't tear it down. Well, good. He lost. He got his checkbook. I was going to buy that house. Okay, back to what we're talking about. So he says, born in 1960, attended Catholic schools, all the way through 12th grade. I was an altar server during grade school as an adult, I joined and participated in the Knights of Columbus. As I look back at my time, spent in Catholic grade school, I witnessed the effects of Vatican II. The Dominican sisters were suddenly permitted to wear regular street clothes. Communion rails came down. A lot of loosening up at our parish and the school back then. I vividly remember in the sixth grade being shown the movie Future Shock.

7:19I that name rings a bell. I just can't place what maybe I sought to. I just don't remember. As I ponder that, he says, I have serious concerns as to who thought that would be a good movie to show pre adolescent kids. Could you look that up for me, please, Cyrus? I'd like to see what that was all about. Maybe I didn't see it. He says, fast forward for 45 years, my wife and I have four children, all of whom went to Catholic schools through 12th grade, and are confirmed. We're now living as empty nesters and I would attend mass on Sundays alone as my wife never aligned herself to the Catholic faith being a committed Presbyterian. I'm not trying to control anyone, and I respect your choice. And thankful that she accepted our children about being raised in the Catholic church. With all that said, I was in mass at our local church one day and I was feeling disconnected. Halfway through the mass, I was thinking, what does all this mean? So after that mass that day, I decided to try something different. I'm going to try different churches.

8:22So I went on a journey, never doubting the Catholic faith. I ventured out to different Catholic churches. I think parishes might be a better word for it here. Just so you understand, you're staying within the Catholic world. You will see, you will know this living, having lived in Southern California, there are probably a hundred parishes at arms length. Some have better music, some have more charismatic priests, some have very engaging parishioners, support, et cetera, et cetera. One Sunday morning, I found myself at the mission San Gabriel. They were still finishing mass in that old mission chapel built in 1771. The mass was traditional compared to most other masses I have gone to, but the setting was beautiful. I was thinking of all those generations filtering through that structure. My journey stopped there for a while. I loved sitting in that setting. Then one day at the end of mass announcements were made,

9:23and one of them was about a Bible study on the mass. I thought, what? A Bible study on the mass, who knew? So I signed up and for many weeks, I would drive 45 minutes on a weeknight to attend this Bible study. Halfway through, I thought to myself, how did this get past me all these years? How did I become complacent to the mass? The mass is beautiful. I wondered how many people in the puse understand transubstantiation. The next thing I did was go to confession. This is the payoff for the whole thing, Cyrus, ready for this. The next thing I did was go to confession. It had been 30 years since I had made a true heart-opening confession. The older priest who heard the confession was so compassionate, I felt like he was standing in for Jesus as I bearded my soul. You know how I felt when I walked out of that confession? To sum this all up, he says, in four statements, our Catholic faith is one, very deep. Number two, it's beautiful.

10:27Number three, it's forgiving. And number four, I find a lot of peace in it. Now when I attend mass, it doesn't matter which church I'm in. Again, Paris is, I think, what he's referring to. It doesn't matter which parish I'm in. I don't notice the music so much. I don't scrutinize the sermons. It's receiving Jesus' body blood, soul, and divinity. Amen. And he says, I'll pray for you. Please pray for me. Right on. That's cool. That's from John. That's amazing. How many years? Away from confession. He's my age. So he's 66. Let me see. Well, born in 1960. He had a full Catholic education through 12th grade. God bless his parents. You know, who knows how many siblings they had to pay for, but you know, even though back in those days, tuition wasn't sky high the way it is now, but it's still, you know, by comparison to what people were earning in the 60s and 70s, it wasn't either sacrifice for Catholic parents to send their kids to Catholic school.

11:30I am grateful to my own parents for having done that as well. They had to forego a lot of nice things in order to put the whole Madrid group of kids through Catholic school, but I'm grateful for it as John is. But yeah, so he had that Cyrus, but the thing that really sticks out to me is the 30-year interval within which he never made like a really good sacramental confession. He didn't elaborate, but I assume what that means is that he held back some serious sins, which of course means the sacraments not invalid. 30 years. I'm just picturing him walking out in a lot lighter. Oh gosh, he has. Little pep in a step, I bet. And you know, he says at the very beginning of the email, I jumped to the part where he talks about the Carmel I sister, but he's been listening to the show for a few years. So hopefully, John, you're listening now and shout out to you for this amazing journey that you took and also for taking time to share it with us and tell us the details of that.

12:34But see how God moves. It's so amazing that it was through a simple bulletin announcement. You felt drawn to that place, the missions and gear brill, it's all the missions are beautiful in their own way. And you happen to be sitting there, open, receptive, ready, maybe not even realizing how open, receptive and ready you were and a simple bulletin announcement about a Bible study on the mass. A lot of people would have just glossed over that without any second thoughts, but God had that in store for you at that place in that moment. And everything great that happened in the aftermath kind of sparked there. So maybe some of the pastors listening right now are saying, I got to get an announcement in the bulletin about a Bible study on the mass. Wouldn't that be great? Oh, by the way, he references the book that was used. It was by Ted Shree called A Biblical Walk Through the Mass. I know Ted. Fine man, excellent speaker too. And that is a very good book. So a

13:37Biblical walk through the mass is the guide book that they used for that retreat or the Bible future shock is a 1972 documentary that is darkly dystopian and oozes techno paranoia and it's narrated with a by a Orson well cigar choppin Orson well. I wondered because I had some vague association in my mind that Orson well was involved in it, but I didn't know for sure. I'm surprised you didn't know that. I'm surprised. I wonder if I have this in my I have a lot of old Orson well stuff. I wonder if I actually have this somewhere in my collection. But Orson also did that uh what was that? It was another commercial from Artenia and Rossi, the wine commercial. That's pretty amazing. That's that is very good. There's a need a hotkey from that. There's another one of those kind of fake documentaries that's

14:41about the the future and how everything's going to be awful. He wasn't in Soiling green. That was Charlton has not no it's one of those it's on tip of my tongue. Oh well. Okay. Yeah, you know, two in the morning when everybody's asleep. That's exactly right. That's what happens to me. So so was there something really garish or problematic about future shock? I hope I hope it wasn't some kind of like soft core pornography or no, no, no, it's just a dim, you know, there's no hope. Everything's everything's going. Hey six graders. Guess what? That's right. Right. Yeah. I can see why he would be bothered by that. I don't think I ever saw that. Or maybe I did and that's why I thought of Orson Wells, eight eight eight nine one four nine one four nine. How about Kathleen in Warrenville, Illinois? Good morning, Kathleen. You're first up. Hi. Good morning Patrick. Hi, Cyrus. Hey there. How are you? They're either over there. Thanks for taking my call. I listen to

15:43you guys every day. I'm a way to work. And then I listen to the recordings during my lunch. I really enjoy it. But I know that you mentioned that you watched Beth medicine yesterday. And I actually watched Doc Martin because you mentioned it yesterday. So I just wanted to get your take on it. My husband, I think it's hilarious, but which one? Doc Martin or were best medicine? Well, best medicine because I only I'd ever heard of Doc Martin. So when you mentioned it yesterday, I looked it up and I was like, oh, let me watch this. But I found it was it was more of a drama than a comedy from, you know, the little that I watched of it. That's true. I'd agree with that. Yeah. It's not overtly comedic, but there are funny moments in some funny characters. So you probably saw the first episode. I don't know. I just pulled it up on, I think to be or something. And it was the episode where Louise was leaving. And she had the she had a baby, which on best medicine,

16:43Louise, she wants to have a baby, but she doesn't have one yet. That's it yet. Yeah. So you crossed the streams. What happened? You saw one that is, and you know, through no fault of your own, of course, you saw one later into the seasons, maybe season two or three. And although, and funny enough, Nancy and I sat down on the couch last night and said, let's watch this thing called best medicine, which I had never heard of until yesterday. Yeah. And, um, but I have a feeling that the Louise character in both will wind up following the same trajectory. So I have a feeling that the American version will follow the trajectory of the British version if I had to guess. But my question was, um, see, watch the full episode. So you got the mid with some of the main characters, the two are two gay guys. So, um, what would you reaction to that? Because yeah, you know, like we love this show, my husband and I, but I'm like, we got it. I mean, you know, yeah, I do. Well, truth be told,

17:48you know, we got, we got about three quarters of the way into it and we couldn't take it anymore. And Nancy said, I said, I said, Patrick is going to do any of that. Keep it on. I know. I know. I'm like, gosh, why did I have to do that? You know, like anyway, yeah, it was, yeah, but I tried. Everything else is really funny, you know, in the show. It's just that part. I'm like, all right, well, let's see if we can do it. We always do it all. Yeah. Well, that's the one thing. Now, this may or may not, you know, tip the scale for you. I don't know, but there are no gay characters in the in Doc Martin. And I remember turning to Nancy and saying, why are they jamming this into the storyline and the reason, of course, because it's considered a box, you have to check. So and then with that now, there is an episode in Doc Martin that does involve that estrogen cream. But it was handled in a much more discrete way in Doc Martin. Then it was handled in a very sort of course way with best medicine. So we got about three quarters of the way through.

18:53And Nancy said, I'm done with this. And I said, you know what? I'm right. So sorry, everybody. We didn't get past that point. Yeah. All right. Well, I just want to pick your brain about that. Awesome. Thanks for taking my call. I appreciate it. You're welcome. And I do hope that if you persist in watching Doc Martin, if you start at the beginning, as typical with, you know, seasons like this, that you will enjoy what you see there. I think it is a little more refined, a little more, a little less vulgar perhaps than at least what we saw in that first episode. Can't judge the whole thing by the first episode. But that's what we saw. Thank you, Kathleen. We'll take a little break and we'll come back to your phone calls. I can't say the doctor is in, but I'm here. So if you want to ask me a question, get a second opinion. You're looking for info. Whatever it may be, I'm here for you. The number is 888 914 9149. 88 914 9149. I'm also going to give you an update on the beatification mass for full tin sheen coming up.

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21:01We have your front row seats to the historic beatification of Archbishop Fulton Sheen, which is this Thursday presented by relevant radio in the Knights of Columbus. Father Ockie will lead a special presentation of the family rosary across America for the beatification mass at 1 p.m. central Jumeireani and Brook Taylor will anchor our live coverage of the mass at 1.30 p.m. Watch the video stream this Thursday beginning at 1 p.m. central live on the relevant radio app and the relevant radio plus app or at relevant radio dot com bingo bingo 88 911 4 911 for night. Let's go to June now in Cali met city Illinois. Good morning, Jane. I said June. I apologize. Jane Good morning. Yes, the morning. Thank you for taking my call. Happy. A friend of mine had throw cancer and ended up with a trake and his throat. Okay. And he decided that he was sorry he had

22:09the cancer because it took no longer talk. And if and he had to learn to talk with the trake. So what he decided to do was eat nothing but junk food and candy for the next several months and the cancer returned and it returned to four stage cancer and the cancer was rapid. It was just eating him up immediately. And so he started bleeding from the surgery from the throat and the doctors were surprised that the cancer had come back and less than a year. My question is that my friend commits suicide by having eating all the wrong foods so that the cancer could become active again. I see the I see what you're asking here and it's an astute question. How old was this gentleman? 73. Okay. I see the dimension that you're

23:14referring to that the way he ate and intentionally eating the sugar foods that would hasten, I guess, the growth of the cancer. It looks as though he did it with that intention in mind, right? Like he wanted to force the cancer or help the cancer kill him, something like that. Okay. I think so. Yeah. Nonetheless, I don't think that it would properly qualify as suicide. And I also don't think that it was necessarily anything immoral for this reason. Number one, this is the one reason why I asked his age because he was an old man. He was near the end of his life anyway. And often, maybe more often than not, the body begins to break down. And so recognizing that since he already had cancer, he didn't cause himself to have cancer. So I did some smoking cigarettes. Okay. Well, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to put it in that way.

24:18What I meant is he found himself with cancer. Now that's a separate question. Is he at fault for smoking all those years that led to him getting cancer? I think a case could be made. Yes. If he knew better and didn't try to quit, you know, there could indeed be some real simple culpability there. But let's exclude that for a moment. With regard to the sugary foods, he now has cancer. And he, um, he ate in a way that would exacerbate the result of that cancer. And he did so so that his life would end sooner rather than later. Would that be a fair way of describing it? Yes. Yeah. So I can see that there is room there for culpability that, you know, if he had an opportunity to live longer, to get healthy, be around for his wife and children, or grandchildren, you know, that there would be mitigating factors like that that could tip the

25:20balance of his moral decision, not in his favor. But I have no way of measuring that. But I don't think we could say he committed suicide directly. Rather he lived intentionally. He lived a life that fed into, no pun intended, um, the cancer that he already had. So I wouldn't call it suicide per se, but cooperating favorably with the cancer so that it would hasten his death. Now there's another point I'd like to mention that is people are not obligated to do everything in their power to stay alive. And especially as they reach old age, and they don't have, you know, a young family depending upon them kind of thing. They, they do have the freedom to say, I'm not going to get chemo. I'm not going to get radiation. He did something more than that. But just if the, if the response is, well, if you don't take this medicine, if you don't do the chemo

26:24or don't do radiation, the cancer is going to kill you. And the person may say, that's okay. I'm going to let it, I'm going to let it kill me. And that's not suicide. What he did added some fuel to that fire. But I, but it's still, I wouldn't call that suicide. I'll pause what any thoughts on that, Jane? Um, and you don't have to agree with me. I'm not, I'm not asking you to necessarily agree with me. I'm just as I consider the description that you gave. That's what comes to my mind. Yes. I, uh, I know that he liked sweet. And so he does probably say we probably took the attitude, well, I'm going to die anyway. So I'm just going to eat everything that I like. Yeah. And, and use no discretion, you know, so if we're already dying and he found out that, well, I'm already dying. This is stage four. I'm going down anyway. I'll go ahead and eat because,

27:29you know, it'll hasten my death, I guess, but I'll also have enjoyment before I die. That could be a sin of gluttony. That could be a sin of lack of, um, moderation. That could be a sin against, uh, um, you know, a number of virtues, but I don't think it would classify as directly as suicide. Okay. I agree with you. Yes. Yeah. I would agree with you on the sin of gluttony. He just decided I'll just going to eat whatever I want that because I'm dying anyway. Right. So temperance, the virtue of temperance, which is very important would be a virtue sin against. So, I mean, I'm not suggesting that he, and it's not for me to judge in any case, but I'm not suggesting that he had no danger of sin at all in this regard, but it wasn't that particular sin as it seems to me. But sins against temperance and gluttony, etc. Or the sin of gluttony. Yes.

28:32Well, let's pray for the repose of his soul. He's passed away now. I understand, right? Yes, the services should come up, I think, in the first week in October. And I was a very close friend of his. And I led him to Jesus Christ on Catholic since the 1960s. Yeah. And he accepted Jesus in his life. And he was a very good person. And these married, I mean, divorced with grandkids. But he expressed to me that he was sorry, he had that, that can't, I mean, that surgery with the trait. And he couldn't talk. He had to write everything down. And he was this unhappy. And so he just decided, well, I'm just going to eat what I enjoy. And I kind of got the feeling that he wanted to feed the cancer to leave sooner rather than later.

29:36Yeah. And that's why I called you to get your opinion on this. Yes, I understand. I do. But he's out of his misery. And he had a good life. So we pray for him. He was absolutely. Yeah. Well, God bless you for being such a good and faithful friend to him. And I can tell that even now, after his death, you care about his well-being. So all the more reason for you to pray for him, Jane. Thank you for that. And thank you for the very interesting question. Very timely, as I'm sure it is for many people. Let's go to Allison now in Texas. Come on, Allison. Good morning, Patrick. Long time listener. First time caller. Wonderful. I'm delighted on both. Thank you. I really appreciate your show and looking for some little advice if you have any. This is a peculiar situation. Okay. I have a I have a seven-year-old grandson.

30:38They go to an evangelical church. Okay. Much to my disappointment. But he was sitting with me the other day and he just blurted out. My Poppy and GGR these, they steal from our church. They're liars. Is this in reference to you and your husband? No, it's in reference to his other grandparents church that it's a seed church where they're pastors. Okay. And so he was talking about the collections that were taken up, you know, by the church. Okay. And so he said that where at that church or what was the setting? It was at my house. We were just sitting around, you know, coloring and eating snacks and stuff like that. And he just said that out loud. I was shocked. I just was shocked. He's a very astute little boy. I said, well, tell me more about that. I didn't

31:44really know what to say. I just say, Holy Spirit, please help me with something to say to this little boy. I just said, tell me, tell me more about that. How do you know what's going on? I mean, just tell me. And he said, well, there is a family in our church that is very needy. They don't have a home. They don't have enough food. They don't have enough clothes for their kids. It's hard to get their kids to school. And he goes, and we were taking up money, taking up a collection for them. And he goes, I give money every week to my church. He said, and wow, seven year old kid. I didn't have any money when I was seven, but I admire him for giving what money he has. The money that he gets is, I don't know. So are you wondering what to do with this? Like, should you go to the police? Well, I didn't even think about that to tell you the truth. Oh my goodness. No, I was thinking, now what do I talk to him about? He said that the money that they collected

32:52at the church went to his own family. That the grandparents gave out money from the church to his own family. And I didn't really pursue that because I didn't know where to go with that. Is this your daughter or your son? My son. My son. All right. So the dilemma, how would you frame the dilemma that you face right now? Well, I asked him, did he tell his parents? And he said, no, that would make them too sad. And he goes, and they'd be mad at me too. So right now, I was like, I honestly don't know what to do. I would like to bring it up with my son, but I do not want to cause any kind of riff in my family. It's there enough already with the, you know, the faith dilemmas, whatever. So I just want to know if I should bring it up with him, the little boy again, or if I should just let it go, or if I should have that, I know. Do they have in, I apologize. Go ahead.

34:02No. Do they have anonymous tip lines on that county or that town or wherever? Yes. They do. What if somebody were to make an anonymous tip and just say, hey, there's some funny business going on at that church, just FYI, and leave it at that. Wow. Wow. That would be something. What a pretty good thing to think about. I know. And I know. And I, you know, I try to give them my faith and talk about the Eucharist and, you know, how our church is the trees. And we were the first church. And, you know, I get, I get little sentences here and there. Was your son raised Catholic? Yes. Absolutely. So probably around the time I got married, he went off into that group. Yeah. He fell in love when he was 15. And she picked him out from a group. He's a good one. And she, they just, he just converted through her parents church. So that would,

35:05what if you were to do the nuclear option and just talk to him directly and just say, you know, I love you. And I want nothing more than family togetherness and happiness. But here's something that has come to my attention, our attention, that you really should know about. Because if this little seven year old knows about this, I'm sure other people know about this. And in due time, that has cards will collapse. And you just might get implicated in something. You know, and because I love you, I'm hoping that you can extricate yourself from this situation. So it doesn't harm you. That's another way of thinking about it. I mean, that, that is really what I'd like to do. I would like to do that. I'm just worried about the little boy. You know, having, having confided that and then telling me that his parents would be mad at him.

36:10Like, just, I can't imagine. Oh my gosh, if they got mad at him for that. Oh my gosh, I just can't imagine that. How hard that would be for him. My goodness. Yeah, that's a real possibility. So the risk there is that you would blow his cover if you brought this up to his father. But what a shame that these parents, your son would take this out on a child who's only doing something good and moral by speaking up about this. I mean, he's just a seven year old. He doesn't understand all the ways of the world. But he's he can clearly recognize that this is wrong. He can. I wonder if I should talk. I know, I'm keeping you on the line quite long. I'm here for you. This is what I do every day for three hours. Yeah. I'm here for you. Thank you. I'm wondering if I should bring it up with the little boy again with my grandson and just say, I want to tell your mom and dad.

37:12Yep. And you know what? What if he, what if you were to suggest to him that maybe you be there for this conversation where he mentions it to them. And you could be there to kind of protect or shield him or, you know, advocate for him so that, you know, they don't land on him. And this actually, now that you're saying this comes to my mind because if they don't know that you know, they might land on this poor child. But if they know that you know, and if you're in the conversation, it might it may well prevent them from taking it out on him. God forbid. Your presence there might be might be what would stop them from recriminations against their son. Isn't that terrible that they know? I know. And you know, they're wonderful. They're really are a wonderful family. Just as this thing is on my mind. I really appreciate your taking time to talk me through this because I didn't really have a way to

38:15excuse me. Think about all my attorneys. I'm sorry. That's okay. It happens to me every day. I have to clear my throat. Oh my goodness. So anyway, my husband and I have talked at our room wearing shock. But maybe you and your husband both should be in that conversation with the boy and his parents. Just to give an extra heat shield for that child, he needs it. That's really good. Thank you very much Patrick. I really appreciate it. Give me a lot to think about. All right. Thanks, Allison. God bless you. Preferably consider a career opportunity where you can blend your faith and profession. Catholic Order of Foresters, our sponsor, is hiring agents in your market now. Go to relevantradio.com slash forrister. That's relevant radio.com slash forrister in Illinois Life Insurance Society,

39:16not licensed in all states. Get connected to the conversation. Call now. 888-914-9149. That's 888-914-9149. Patrick Woodrit is on now. Relevant radio. We are back as you can tell 88-914-9149 and emails. Please send those to Patrick at relevantradio.com. This one came in from Cynthia and she says, I loved Doc Martin and I tried to watch Best Medicine. I made it to his interaction with Aunt Joan and just thought, Yuck, it seemed wooden in some of the jokes from bad taste. I guess I was spoiled by Doc Martin. Martin Clunz, the actor was fantastic as was the rest of the cast Mrs. Tishel laughing emoji. I think Mrs. Tishel was probably my favorite least favorite character. Everybody's favorite least favorite character was Mrs. Tishel. You don't know who Mrs. Tishel is, do you, Cyrus?

40:16I don't know any of the words you're saying. Okay. Next brace is all I can say. Next brace. Mrs. Tishel, if you ever see it, you'll say, oh, now I get it. Cynthia says, I thought I might try Best Medicine again, but after hearing you and Nancy bailed on it, maybe I'll just skip it. Hey, I hear you and I teach his own, but I will say this now that you mention it. Aunt Joan or Auntie Joan in Doc Martin, I found rather unpleasant as a person, the first aunt, the one who dies. Oh, sorry, spoiler alert. Sorry about that. Second aunt, the psychiatrist or psychologist, the doctor one, much more drool. I really liked her quite a bit. I like her personality. But I just want to mention because somebody will say, Patrick, you didn't mention here I'm mentioning it. There is an immoral scene. How do I frame this?

41:23As you get a little further into Doc Martin, it is not immune from these problems. It's not. And that's why you have a remote control with a fast forward button on it. But there is a very brief but still present immoral scene. I ain't to say it involving Auntie Joan. I'll leave it at that. FYI, so nobody feels like they were not forewarned. And I'm not the sensor when it comes to TV shows, just passing along good information. It's kind of like when you're taking a long flight somewhere and the pilots up front, they're communicating with air traffic control and the other pilots who are reporting bumpy weather or problems or things like that. And that gets passed around that everybody knows, you know, don't fly at that altitude when you get to this area of light lower or higher, kind of like that. 88, 914, 9149. Let's go to,

42:23you know what, before we do that, here's a, here's a tip. You want a tip? I'll give you a tip everybody for a YouTube channel. If you like aviation, I think you'll like this. I really like it a lot. Enancey's not even like super into aviation at all, not even at all, but she likes it too. It's a YouTube channel called Captain Steve, like there's three E's, STEEV, Captain Steve, Super nice guy recently retired American Airlines captain. He doubles as a Baptist minister on the side. Niceest guy you'd ever want to meet, extremely knowledgeable. And so if you would like to see stuff about aviation where he will take like, you know, that terrible UPS crash in Louisville six, eight months ago, whenever that was, or some of the other things, it's surprising to me how many of these incidents and accidents there are that I didn't even hear about. But he'll go through

43:27them. And in his own a vunkular way, he will explain, here's what happened, here's what they should have done, here's what they did right kind of thing. And I find it endlessly fascinating. Captain Steve, now is that the name of the channel? You'll have to check me on that. But when you see it, you'll know it. And Nancy and I do really enjoy that. So just a tip. Let's go to Steve now, speaking of whom in Riverside, California. Hello, Steve. Hi there, Pat. You're I just wanted to quickly touch base. You're a tad older than me, mind you, just a pinch. And you were around back during the Harry Potter explosion, you know, and you're at least you're a little more cognizant, I think, of the word that I was I was still, you know, I had to be like nine or something. I don't know. But I never got into it. But what was it like? Now my understanding is evangelicals were freaking out. How was it on the Catholic front? In terms of like whether or not you should let your kids read the Harry Potter books or see the movies?

44:28I don't know, just like not even the movies. I'm talking like before the movies, I'm talking when the books were coming out, where there are people kind of like at the tail end of the safe panic panic there, where there are people like, you know, to protesting and getting upset and going on the news, where how was it like in a parish hall? How were people responding to Harry Potter? Or was it kind of like a, you know, not really giving it much attention as the evangelicals did? Because I know it was controversial. And I was just wondering how it how it was attacked by the Catholic. Interesting question. Yeah. So I'll I'll stroll down memory lane for a minute. That as I reckon was about around the year 2000 at the height of the mania. So if that's correct. So going back about 25, 26 years, as I recall number one, I was on the side of saying caution to the point of let's not do that. And I was in the minority. And what I remember was that the vast majority of everybody a, extolled the Harry Potter books for being extremely well written and vivid characters. And even

45:34to the point, I thought this was, you know, you know, rather silly exaggeration trying to portray Harry Potter is if he were Jesus, things like that. I didn't I didn't land on that side of the discussion. I landed on the side of, you know, this is feeding a young person's appetite in interest for something that is not spiritually healthy, magic in witchcraft and casting spells and witches and warlocks and things like that. So that's where I came down on that issue. And what I remember is being poo pooed and dismissed as if, oh, come on. You know, sticking the mud wet blanket. Can't the kids just read? And one of the refrains that I remember hearing quite a bit, Steve, was how kids who never used to want to read suddenly now became reading rabbits because of the Harry Potter books. And that may well be true. I don't doubt it. But a lot of people were saying, hey, look, it's, you know, this fixed my kid. He didn't want to read before. Now all he wants to do is read.

46:36And so that was one of the selling points that I saw. I remember sort of rolling my eyes at a book that was written by a Catholic author, extolling Harry Potter as something really good for Catholic kids. And I read that book and I just didn't see that, you know, was not persuaded by the case that was made. And lastly, Steve, I did indeed read the first Harry Potter book all the way through because I thought, you know, it's not really fair for me to be critical or cautious about something that I haven't read. So I got a copy of the book and I read it from cover to cover. I didn't read any of the other ones. But I read that one. And I saw the first two movies to sort of buttress my knowledge of the Harry Potter phenomenon. That's about as far as I went with it. And actually, there is one other detail that comes to my mind. And that is, I remember the first time, this is the first of any number of times, when I went into a, like a B Dalton book store,

47:36a Walden book, so one of the big book chains. And there was this massive presence for Harry Potter books. But also what I mostly remember is next to it, there was this massive section on witchcraft. And here's how to cast spells. And here's how to summon, you know, familiar spirits and, you know, witchcraft kids and that kind of thing. That really gave me pause because I could see how even if Harry Potter per se was not necessarily directly leading kids into the occult, it was a doorway that the books and authors and materials that did indeed want to lead people directly into the occult could ride those coattails. So I did see a kind of symbiosis in those book stores. So those are my thoughts 25 years later. Nice. Yeah. That's cool to learn. Yeah. I'm just, you know, my, as my kids are, you know, growing up, it was a big part of my wife's life. And I haven't been a

48:39total stick in the mud. I like you. I tried to read the first book. But when it got to the point where it's like, you've been invited to the school of witchcraft. I just stopped breathing. I'm just, I have an allergy to that stuff. And I firmly believe had, you know, JK Rowling changed that line and said the school of fairy tales and wizardry, you know, no one would have freaked out. And I just, I don't know. I don't know why she chose witchcraft. I think that was poor taste. But fun to learn. I just wanted your thoughts. Well, you got him, Steve, for better for us. And I, I'll have to ask you a question now. So now that you're a father of your own kids, what is your game plan? Will you exclude Harry Potter from their reading list? Or will you permit it? Or where will you come down on that? You know, it's complicated. I've kind of gritting my teeth and allowing him to read him. He likes, you know, he does read a lot. And so I'm not, I tolerate it, but grudgingly, I draw a hard line as far as, you know, letting my kids rest up thing like things for witches for Halloween, maybe.

49:42Your wife? She probably does. Right. She's probably positive. So her, she doesn't carry, you know, she's like, oh, come on. You're being a stick in the mud. Stop being Ned Flanders or whatever. And it's just, you know, I, I have an aversion to it. I've encountered this stuff, you know, in Latin America. And I just, I don't like it. And so I, but yeah, I've allowed them to read, I've allowed my son to read Harry Potter. He likes it. But I give him firm talks. Hey, God says not to do this stuff. You are not to go buy a, a wick a book like you saw, you know, and I, I point that out to him and I make sure I, I at least open the door to those conversations. And yeah, I mean, that's how I've handled it. Maybe not the most gracefully way to go. Well, you know, you do the best you can. Sometimes you don't have the, I don't know, the opportunity to be very delicate in handling it. Sometimes the dad's rolled just to say, no, sorry, you can't do that. And you don't have to finesse it. I sure remember being on the

50:43receiving end of plenty of that from my dad, you know, where he didn't finesse it or sugar code or he just said, no, well, how come? Because I said so because I'm your dad. And I, you know, that that's not always the best way to go about it. But it, it was sufficient for me back in the day when my dad said things that I couldn't do. And he didn't finesse it. He just said, no. So there's a time and place for that. In other words, Oh, indeed. And I'm a hard liner in some areas. But this is one battle I have decided to see some ground. Not the money. Not my proudest hour, you know, but well, I would suggest this as an antidote, text Patrick to 9114, 9114. And we'll send you instantly the brand new album. That's about a month new month and a half new two months new call keep going and turn turn your kids onto that album. They'll love it. And then they'll probably not even want to rehear it. Potter because they want to listen to the album text Patrick to 9114 9114.