The Sheriff Who Said "No" Under Oath

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141 to zero. How'd you like to play that game? How'd you like to be the one sitting at zero

when 241 votes have been cast against you? It's not a close vote. It's not a divided department.

When the Pima County deputies organization put the question to its membership,

confidence or no confidence in sheriff Chris Nanos, every member who cast a ballot voted no

confidence and resign. And resign. Not just we don't like you, go do what you will with this

information because clearly you haven't the last time we voted. Now we're going to put it

out there no confidence and resign. We're telling you with our vote what we'd like you to do.

241 deputies 65 abstained not one person voted to keep him and continue zero. These are the

investigators, the detectives, the people inside that building every single day running the most

high profile missing person's case in this country. And they have unanimously told you they

don't trust the man in charge. That alone should be the story. But the deputies vote isn't actually

the thing that moved the needle. What move the needle happens next. The Pima County border

of supervisors went into closed session for nearly three hours. When they came back out,

they voted unanimously to invoke a state statute, an old territorial era law rarely used,

occasionally dusted off for when a county government decides it's had enough requiring sheriff Nanos

to submit sworn statements about his conduct and his department. Then supervisor Matt Hines,

the Democrat, who put the item on the agenda, said out loud with a lot of people have been

circling around. Nanos 42 year career in Pima County, quote, seems to be based on fraud.

And then he added the line that gave this some real teeth. If Nanos refuses to comply with the

board's order, the board can move to remove him from office, not censure, not a strongly worded letter

remove him. That's the mechanism. That's live right now. And Nanos own lawyers know exactly what

it means because within hours of that vote, his office released a statement. The sheriff will

comply with the statute. He will provide the report. So how did we get here? How does the sheriff

of one of the largest counties in Arizona, a man who just won reelection 16 months ago,

end up with his own department voting 241 to nothing against him and his supervisors invoking a

law from the territorial area to put him under oath?

Now the short answer involves a filing cabinet in El Paso, Texas that said untouched for over

four decades. And if you followed our earlier reporting on Nanos's El Paso record, you know the

broad outlines eight suspensions, 37 days without pay, 26 allegations over six years,

a robbery suspect who ended up in the intensive care unit, a grand jury and a forced choice

in August of 1982, resign or be fired. He resigned. He was 26 years old.

He came to Tucson two years ago or two years later listed El Paso on his resume with a departure date

two years later than the record show. So he lied on his resume and built a career inside a department

that had no idea what was sitting in a filing cabinet back in Texas. Again, it's the 80s.

There's no computers looking these things up. There's no cross referencing. There's still

isn't today in most cases. People relied on each other's words and apparently didn't do a whole

lot of cross referencing either. Supervisor Heinz Framing is blunt. If the foundation was fraudulent,

the 42 years built on top of it are in his words, fruit of a poison tree.

Now look, the implications of this are rather large 42 years as a sheriff.

There's a lot of cases that have come and gone through that department in 42 years that he was

involved in. That's a lot of cases that are going to have a second much closer look done at them.

And they're going to try and argue, well, if he shouldn't have been there in the first place,

how can my client be guilty, your honor? Now, that ain't going to go very far in most cases,

but I can guarantee there's going to be a handful that are going to get a good second look

that maybe otherwise wouldn't. And that's probably a good thing. What's new and what changes

the stakes considerably is the deposition. In December of last year, Nano sat down for a sworn

deposition in a federal lawsuit filed by his own union president. At some point during that six-hour

session, an attorney asked him a direct question. He had not been asked before in this sort of a

setting. Had he ever been suspended during his law enforcement career? His answer? No.

He later said after the Arizona Republic published the El Paso records that he interpreted

the question as referring only to his time in Pima County. Even though the question clearly

stated in your law enforcement career, remember, we had this problem a couple of weeks ago. Nano's

where you weren't really used to people questioning you or having to be accurate. With the words

that came out of your mouth, it seemed like a really, you know, elusive thing to you.

We've already gone down that road. So you already know people are holding you accountable.

You're doing a deposition in your law enforcement career. There really isn't a lot of room for

misunderstanding or misinterpreting unless you're just a fucking idiot. Which you kind of are, it seems.

When they asked me the question, he told the Tucson columnist, I'm thinking of right here in

Pima County 42 years back. He added that he told the attorneys throughout the deposition to

rely on documentation rather than his memory because the records would be more accurate than his

recollection. So you forgot all about all those reasons 42 years ago why you were

not fired, but you quit on your own accord in lieu of firing. You tend to remember those sort

of things. I mean, if you don't, let me go back to what I just said earlier, the effing idiot thing.

I guess both can be true. You can decide what you think about that explanation, rely on the record.

How about don't blatantly lie? Or if you don't know, say you don't know. You don't give

absolutes when you don't know. This is not, this is how people like this try to get away with

shit. They try to confuse your, try to confuse the process, try to, to make your second guess,

well, maybe I'm wrong for asking the question that way. If I did it this way, maybe I would have

got a different, it's my fault for you lying in a deposition. No, it's not. It's yours,

Chris Nannos, and you failed, and you were caught, and now you need to face the consequences.

What supervisor Hines thinks of it is not ambiguous. I was very surprised, Hines says, and

I was even more surprised that the revelation wasn't followed by his immediate resignation. This is

disqualifying for any county employee, but especially for one in law enforcement. We could be

forced to reopen every case he's ever contributed to during his entire career at Pima County.

This is what happens when you put egotistical narcissistic maniacs in power,

and go, he seems like a guy I like to have a beer with. Yeah,

the unibomber would also be an interesting guy to have a beer with. Would I do it? No.

He's also publicly raised questions as to whether Nannos misrepresented his history in sworn

testimony, a question that the board's attorney are now specifically tasked with examining,

which brings us to the trap hidden inside all of this, and it cuts in a direction that most people

haven't gotten to yet. The state statutes, the board invoked, has a specific and narrow trigger,

a county board can move to remove an officer who refuses to appear before them, or refuses to

submit the required sworn statement. That's the lever. That's where the removal power lives, and

Nannos, or more precisely whoever is advising Nannos, read that statute and gave the only answer

that keeps him in his chair. I'll comply. I'm not refusing. I'll do it. If he shows up,

submit to sworn report and answers the board's question, even unconvincingly, even with

explanation that supervisors don't buy for a second, the removal mechanism under this statute

may not apply anymore. The county is already paying outside attorneys to figure out exactly what

the board can do if he complies, but his answers don't hold up. There's a parallel court case

working through a related question in Maricopa County right now involving county recorder,

Justin Heap. Nobody has a clean answer yet. The board's outside counsel comes back on April 7th

with the specific questions they intend to put to Nannos. That's only find out whether this

instrument is actually sharp, or whether compliance alone is enough to diffuse it.

The recall is a separate track, and it's a steep one, more than 222,000 valid signatures

needed with a hard deadline. The effort is being led by a Republican congressional candidate,

which means it's already carrying a partisan framing in a county that went Democrat

in the last sheriff's race by 481 votes. And this week, the recall campaign didn't yet have a website.

That's not the organizational infrastructure of a campaign that's about to collect six figures

in a verified signature contest against a hard deadline.

So here's a math as it actually stands. The deputies have abandoned him unanimously.

The supervisors have called his career fraudulent and invoked a territorial error law to put him

under oath, his defense of his deposition answer that he was thinking only of Pima County,

is now a matter of public record and the question of whether that defense holds legally is now in

the hands of outside counsel. The recall needs mass mobilization in a county of nearly a million

people with limited organizational backing and a ticking clock. And the board's next move depends

entirely on what its lawyers tell them they can actually do with a sheriff who says yes.

April 7th, that's the next date. That's from the board here's what its attorneys have drafted.

That's when we find out whether the language they invoke has real consequences or whether it's

a mechanism with a compliance escape hatch built into it. And while all of that grinds forward

a family is still waiting, Antigot 3 has been missing since the first of February. No arrests,

no publicly identified suspect, the sheriff. Running your case is preparing a sworn statement

to preserve his own position. The machinery of accountability is moving slowly. And at the meantime,

somebody out there knows what happened to an 84 year old woman who didn't make it to church.

And they haven't said a word. That's where things stand in Pima County.

Pressure is real, the tools exist. Whether any of them land is a different question entirely.

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You know those folks just don't know how to take a damn cue. He's clearly one of them.

Can you imagine if you're the leader of an organization, any organization, whatever it may be,

you're a boss. You have people under you in some way, shape or form. And every single one of them,

they think you're foolish. They think there's no confidence in you whatsoever. They're voting

against you. Not one person is standing up going, maybe he's misunderstood. Maybe he just,

you know, he does things a little different, not one. Everybody wants you gone. Why would you even stay?

What point are you going to make? You're not going to turn. You're not going to get them to come

back around and go, oh, we were wrong. Call it a day. You're getting up there too. Dude,

go enjoy your retirement. Consider yourself lucky that for 42 years, you bamboozled Pima County

on your previous record and got away with it. Go retire.

And let the only people who have to deal with your bullshit be the ones that are at the drive

through coffee bar that you hit up in the morning. Made you your regular today, Chris.

That's not what I want. I want, like, well, you've been getting the same one for the last seven

days. It's not, we'd be nice. I want, you know, who the fuck knows? Go, go take your torment and

control and chaos and lies and delusions and narcissism into retirement.

Go be a Walmart greeter. Go do something you're more qualified for because let's tell you what,

being sheriff ain't one of them. And 42 years have proven that.

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