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2:03This is your station. This is Waitley. Good morning. One of the biggest questions in 40 has been answered this morning. What will Toby Green do next season? The Giants Chief Executive Dave Matthews is with us right off the top. Dave, welcome to the program. Thanks, Jared. Have you spoken with Toby this morning? I have spoken with Toby. We've been obviously in discussions on a daily basis as he's gone through. He's processed and this morning he's decided that he and Georgia are looking to move back to Victoria for family reasons and with the intention of joining Jalong. That's the decision he's made. We certainly respect that. He's been a very celebrated figure at our club. Very important person. I know this has been a really tough decision and one he's largely made for family reasons. Was that an emotional phone call between the two of you? It was really because I'm only in love with the guy and Georgia as well. They've got the young family with the Isle and they've got further plans there.

3:06We've been working together since really the day of the draft in November 2011. It's been a long journey and I think we talked about we're really proud of where the club has got to and the regret that he and I have as we're both leading the club is that we haven't been able to secure that premiership and outside of that. He's been an enormous figure for our club and done everything possible to not just for the Giants but for the AFL as well to grow this club and grow our presence. I've got nothing but respect for him and we'll celebrate him properly. Obviously you'd love to be a white and club player and you'd love to see circumstances that supported that but we understand the decision he's made. Were you holding hope right to the last when your story has become up that he might be telling you that he was staying? Normally when his number comes up he's after concert tickets or race tips or other things. Look you never really know what you're going to get when he rings you over the years but

4:08now I look I must admit I expected this. I think it probably defected decision dragged out really reflects how Tony's been and how much he feels a part of the Giants. Many will always be a Giants. He's a legend of the club and I know that I guess it was just a matter of time for him to actually reach that decision. It was just been a really difficult one for him and I think that's probably a good reflection on our club that it's not an easy decision for him and that tells you that the club's in good shape and he feels such a strong affection to the playing group and enjoys playing throughout him. Kingsley and all the things he goes with it. So look it's not a major surprise for him in a day and I've been just encouraging him along the way that any information he needed beyond what he already had. We were here to try to help supporting things through it. He'd love him to have been a one club player but at the same time 15 years of service is really significant.

5:09How much of this is a life decision rather than necessarily a football decision do you think? I think it's primarily a family decision and Toby will say that too when he speaks publicly. He knows that we've got a playing list that can compete and every possibility of getting back up the top next year. I don't think reality is we're possibly going to watch a side win the flag that we did belt during the year. We had a weird year because we had some injuries obviously and dropped some games we shouldn't have but we beat a lot of the top sides. From a football point of view I don't think there's any lack of confidence that he had in the football strategy. I'm going to get stars on every line so I expect that the club will compete and compete really hard but we're very stable off here. I mean I'm finishing after 15 years but we're going to hand over to James Avery and James has got a great relationship with Toby as well. I don't think there's any lack of confidence in any aspect of the club. This is really a decision he's made about.

6:10What's best for his family over the next two to three years in the twilight of his career? We understand that. You've just described that. Dave runs a little bit counter to what's been discussed on the outside and through choice I will say there is an exodus of senior players. It feels from the outside like you're resetting your list. Your tenure is coming to a close after such a long period of time and the coaching staff feels like it's turning over as well. Is this a tumultuous time for the Giants? I think it's not unusual for us to have some changes on an annual basis to the list. Clearly this is the most hard-profile and significant because he's been capped into the club. But really I think most clubs go through a bit of a reset at the moment. The swans are knee-deep in finals and looking at having to replace Mark McVayers as an

7:15example. When you look at the coaching structures, it's not unusual for those changes to be made. We get great confidence in Jason McCartney and Adam Kingsley and in the depth of our list anyway. There's a bit of a reset but it's not like it's a rebuild or there's any sort of major issue from my point of view. I was reported yesterday about what Jason's doing and he's shoot sure that that was inaccurate and Adam Kingsley absolutely locked in and James Avery's coming. I think the club's in a more stable position than what sometimes gets presented I think. It's the end of an year though isn't it? Is between your long tenure and Toby's years at the club, this is a punctuation point for the Giants? It is. I mean 15 years has gone quickly and I'm enormously proud of what we've been able to achieve. Obviously as I said we would have loved to have had a premiership but if somebody had set on draft night to 11 Toby Greens stay at the club for 15 years and be an absolute

8:17star of the game. Stephen Kinnealyo the same. 15 years of long career and far exceeds what most players achieve anyway but to achieve it at the Giants and have such an amazing career on field and be so important off field at the Giants is significant and as I say this decision hasn't come out of the blue for us. We're pretty much expecting this might be the case and we'll celebrate him accordingly but the club is bigger than an individual and the club will move on and the club's got every reason and the members and supporters have every reason to have confidence in what's ahead. Have you been thinking through the succession on the cap and see front and the like with Toby departing? Yeah I think Jason and Adam in particular we've got some really clear plans in place. We've got a really strong leadership program after over the last two to three years so really there's been some depth of leadership developed over the last two to three seasons that will

9:17step up. There's really the leadership group this year outside of Toby you really had a different look about it. It's sort of a next generation look to it and say the people like Tom Green and Connor Iden and others will come in a consideration but then you'll look beyond that in terms of Aaron Cadman and Sam Taylor. The guys that have got real leadership aspirations. So there's a depth of leaders there now that I think we've worked hard on over the last couple of years. Dave you're about to get the sentiment from your fan base and from your loyal backers and the like. How sad do you think they will be for the figure who's been you know from the rat bag young fellow to the all Australian captains lived such a journey in front of your eyes. Yeah yeah and look he's connection to the fans and the sponsors and the Catery groups is really authentic. It's very genuine. I mean we had a long serving member tragically passed away a couple of weeks ago and his memorial service was held just on Monday and Toby enjoyed your flu up and back from Melbourne

10:24for the day to acknowledge he's passing and that just sort of points to just how important the fans have been to him and how important he is to them. So yeah there's certainly some sadness. There's no doubt about that as I said you've wanted to be one club player and he's connection to our members and Catery groups and sponsors is really strong and so yeah the next your reaction will be one of these appointments but at the same time we'll be clear that I think the clubs in a very stable and should be very optimistic about what's ahead very stable positions so yeah these things happen in football as we understand. The formula is a mystery but what layer of compensation would you expect for Toby Green? I don't I must admit I don't even know how that works anymore so I'll leave that one to be possible. Yeah I mean I think it's a significant offer and it should be too so yeah I'll leave that

11:31one to Jason McCartney is that plays out in the next couple of weeks. Alright Dave thank you why don't we finish it so Toby Green 282 games the most recognizable of giants he'll be of well I suppose he'll have a couple of years elsewhere but he is bound for the hall of fame give us a closing word on Toby Green's legacy at the Giants as he brings it to a close. Well I think he along with Kevin Seedy and others gave us this resilience and character from day one you know the toughness that he exhibited and you know I'll even a lot of as I've said before to it Jared a lot of the tribunal indiscretions were retribution or looking after his team mate so he's just one of the most loyal people you'd ever meet and he's been loyal to a fault for 15 years and and now he makes a decision for each family so yeah we wish him the best we thank him for what he's been able to contribute to us and we move forward. Dave thanks for your time this morning. Well yeah cheers.

12:32Good luck over the next 24 days as you finish off your 10 year as the chief executive of the Giants. Dave Matthews there so Toby Green after 15 years and 282 games of foundation giants the club's most popular figure and it's greatest player he's told the Giants that he'll return to Victoria and he's going to play for Jolong next season under free agency. You'll have your thoughts the NAB OpenLiners 1 300 736736 NAB your partner for first homes and second stories and the 40 Wings Tempered Text is 0 433 98 11 16 the difference is temper Adam Simpson is here. Hello. Good. How are you? Good. How do you take that? He's breaking off the top. I thought we saw a sort of coming a little bit didn't we but I thought it was handled with grace which is great for both parties and I'll miss him as a key figure up there and Jolong I'm sure we'll appreciate what he's going to bring to them as well. Yeah I think it's done as I know that sometimes things don't get done as well as I should

13:33this seems to be on the outside as done as well as it possibly could have. So for the two parties for the Giants how hard to lose Toby Green. Yeah. Look yeah there are an interesting situation. Yeah the messaging now is going to be really important isn't it. What's next for the Giants and they would have had enough planning in place. It feels like they've been planning this for six months now. Is that how you feel? This was sort of the last shot and then they didn't make finals this year and there's a transitioning happening and Toby's a part of that so you know I'm not overly surprised about what's happened but what's next for the Giants is really interesting because I don't know if you can go down up there. You probably can't afford to drop all the way down so they need a club figure. Who's the number one profile player they've got now and do they need a chase one? It's sort of handing the club over to the next gen isn't it? There's the players in their mid-twenties so Tom Green becomes a vital figure for the new administration to make sure that he's going to be the face of the club.

14:34Who's the franchise player I suppose is what you sort of need in these environments and these markets and then there's your off field Jared the coaching situation. There's not a lot of coaches around. It's a difficult market even Essin and I think struggling to get young quality assistant coaches and it's just a tough market so yeah I wonder what they're going to do because we sort of get the rebuild and the transition but I still think you need a figurehead at the club and maybe they've already got it with grain but yeah I'm not sure what it looks like in the future. And then Toby is a he turns 33 next month for Jolong what do you think he represents? Yeah he plays. Is this the normal role half forward pinch hit on ball? A bit of the danger role? Can you play danger in Toby in the same fort line? I'm sure you can. Did they play state of origin together? Yep. Yeah okay. So that's exciting. Yeah that's exciting I think there's some good footy left in him. Obviously not 25 anymore but I think there'll be enough games left there to have an impact

15:37so after missing out on butters they'll be ecstatic. I wonder what they're going to pay for him. Is it a cheap transition? No I think they were prepared to commit a lot to it. And I think Sammy told us they'd up their offers both the giants and Jolong right at the pointy end and three years so we'll get Sam to ring the trade bell in the next hour and sort all of that out. Yeah well three years. I mean looking at Jolong and how they do things it could be more than three years depending on how his body holds up. I don't think there's any massive armances there. He's done a few quads and stopped his injury so recent times but nothing to suggest he can go backwards in the next year or two. So yep they've done it again Jolong but you know I'm not sure if that's the penicillian I think that's the total answer for Jolong I think there's other areas they need to improve on. And for Toby himself at the 15 years 282 games the single greatest figure in giants history so far. How do you feel when that player just takes a little deviation at the end totally understanding that this is heavily related to family resistance.

16:39And I think he's going to dip into the media at some stage too. He's with us. He is. He's on crunch time. So we're given Ken the flick already which is so good and we've got that all get back. Growing coming in so that and I've we worked with him on the opening round then we did a game together and his insight was to the point very it's pretty deep that he's for more knowledge so I think he's going to have an impact not only on field but probably off field in the Melbourne environment probably something we haven't seen being up there. So there's that piece there's the family there's life after football and when you get to early mid 30s Jared if you don't plan life after football you're crazy and whether it's employment whether it's family whether it's school you got you got to get going you can't wait to get the list of the tide before you you move on to next phase of your life. So he's preparing well and I think it goes with good grace. Toby Green is bound from Jolong Dave Matthews with us off the top to give us the giants perspective Toby is with us on crunch time on Saturday. So we'll get his first hand account of all of it.

17:42That's not the end of the breaking news this morning so don't go anywhere Adam Simpson for sports. Mark don't miss the million dollar cricket warehouse sale in Merabin and online at the cricket sale.com.au if you're a of a North Melbourne persuasion spread the word we'll chat in about four minutes. This is waitly for Hyundai. It's game on it. Hyundai where you can score great offers on a range of new and demonstrator models. Waitly on S.E. Toby Green has told the giants this morning he's coming back to Victoria and he will play with Jolong in season 2027. We'll ring the trade bell with Sam Edmonds at 1040 with some fresh materials. So he's now working the phones. Adam Simpson is here in the studio. Yes. Sam I have you reached a position in regards to the North Melbourne coaching job. Yeah. Yep. I think I'm not going to take it any further Joe. So I had a good chat with Todd and Jen the other day which was reported which is fine and just to palm reflection it's probably not going to work for me this time around.

18:43So I'd let them know yesterday and we'll let them continue on with their journey whether they get an old on you. That's that's totally up to North Melbourne. So just let's go right back to the start. In your heart of hearts as a North Melbourne person was this the light on the hill you thought oh yeah yeah this is the one I really will do a bit. A little bit. Yeah and I never crossed the line to the book because once you crossed the line Joe there's no going back once you're in your all in. So that was the hesitancy of it all. So to go through with where the club is my history with the club knowing some people there and having that thought just to be cool and then starting the process then I realized that you know in the end it probably didn't suit me as well as I thought it did. And then you know decision was made didn't have to go the all in. So I was on the on the precipice and that doesn't mean you get the job or anything but once you once you're in you're in. So yeah work through that as best I could with the family and with my manager Shane.

19:44So then we got to the decision to pass. There wasn't a lot of encouragement is that a reasonable depiction? No no no I think it was an open process. It's and I'm not going to go into too much detail at a respect for what they're doing but I think they just want the best coach for the job. So whether it's a younger coach or older coach or second time I don't think there was a preference. Did you detect a prejudice against the second time coach? There's an undercurrent across the competition at the moment that the news is the new fashion. So which is absolutely fine. The other piece too, you know I work with, oh and I was on the carton coaching panel a month ago and I critiqued these young coaches that potentially a goal against and I'm not that comfortable going through the exact same process with guys I'm sitting with and going look let's look at your presentation I think you could have done this a little bit better and why don't you do this next time in more detail there on your leadership program and how you measure development and really trying to help these young coaches and then to go

20:44against them four weeks later. It didn't that felt awkward to a certain degree. Not that that would stop you. I think if you're dog hungry for a job then you go I'm on me. I don't care. I'll walk over everyone to get it and that was definitely what I was like when I was 38 and perhaps a little bit more measured with this one. So not to be but I'm sure they'll get a really good candidate and really good coach. The idea of the modern game which was a big part of North Melbourne's press conference and today's game. Do you feel what is today's game? Yeah. Do you feel at all you are a premiership coach. Yeah. John Longmire two years ago coached in a grand final and it feels like you're being tired with a brush or you're not today's game. You're not the modern game. You feel offended by that notion? I think it's misconstrued a little bit. I think today's game is not about the style of play. I think it's about how you treat young people and how you manage your staff and your cohort. I've seen 60 games live this year.

21:45I've seen more football this year and I haven't lost five years. It's been interesting how you guys, three or four games a weekend and then you could take every game. It's been in different lands and obviously going through the process at Cardinals and saying some of the modern coaches and the young coaches, that's not what you're looking for because that's just the systems and the way you're the game plans. They come and go. They evolve and there's a lot of things you've been doing for years. It's probably more the younger generation, how do you connect with young people, the program you run, are you a micro manager? Can you delegate all those things? It's probably more the modern game than the style of play. Outside of Fort Hamble, it is game and the game's got quicker in transition. Not that much that I'm saying that what's that I've never seen that before. Things evolve slower than you think but there's all little trends that pop up every six weeks that you go, that's interesting and then it just evolves. I think that's the notion around the modern game and then there's a second time coaches

22:48and where they fit in the current environment feels like it's the young's good, that's we've seen some good evidence this year of some young coaches coming in and having an impact and that's absolutely fine. I think it swings around a bit. It doesn't really marry up though with the premiership list of recent times. It's not the young whiz kids who have been winning premierships. It's been the stayed hands, even Craig McCrae's the outlier. He's older than Chris Scott. I think there's, you know my view on it, there's the Messiah complex but that's only a few. But it seems to be used, well that ties in everyone. So that ties in Longmire and that ties in Simpson, that's nonsense. There's the second time is, Voss wasn't successful the first time. Brad Scott was, he didn't get the ultimate success the first time and it feels like in those crosshairs people of the ilk of you and John Longmire seemed to have been caught

23:49up in that and been marked down without any real thought as what do these two guys probably do. I don't think we're marked. We're not in the system, Joe. I think when clubs go for a new coach there's a decision to make though. Do we want to grow with someone and potentially get the next Chris Scott as a 38 year old or do we want someone to come in who's been around and knows some of the fables that they work through and can come in and turn this around pretty quickly from an experience point of view. I think they're the two decisions clubs make and yeah, old versus young, I don't think it's that because we're all around the same age really. I think it's more, can you connect with the younger generation? Can you read a room? Can you have empathy but also be strong and hard? So whether that's young or old, I don't think it matters. North look like they're going for, we just want the best. We don't care if you're young or old, we want the best candidate and it's up to the applicants to fight for it, which I'm looking forward to say.

24:49Do you think having just sat in a process? Do you think it's practical to have the exact same process for John Longmeier as Daniel Pratt? I'd probably do it a little bit differently, Jared, but that's the I've, the beholder I suppose, from a club point of view. Everybody clubs got to work through their own way of going about it. The carton was a little bit different than Essenden and North will be different than carton and the next club will be different. So it's up to the, to the powers that be to run their own process. I don't think you can, I think you said it a number of times, Essenden just needs to do Essenden and then it's the same with carton and it's the same with North. Just do, you just do you and you'll be judged by your actions. And that's the way it should be. Are you a little bit sad about it? No, no, because I never got to the point where I went over the top. If you go over the top and then you're all in, then it's just, it's actually exciting. So I haven't lived that a little bit and seen some coaches who I, I critiqued and reached at times and disappointment about not getting it. It was a bit difficult to with, with Frays too, wasn't it?

25:51We just had that record just sitting in the back corner. But going for, for a job as a young coach, yeah, there's a sense of excitement about it. And I don't think it's, I feel like it's not as, you're one and done or you've had three presentations and you're a bit star. I don't think that's the case anymore, which I'm glad about because it's so tough to get. Yeah. Well, I would like to take the opportunity to say you are, I think you are a thoroughly modern thing. I couldn't, no, you can block your ears. Take your headphones off. All right. And everybody who's shared this with us across the season through the means tests, through the eye of the coach and through a crunch time and listening, especially on game days, you're a thoroughly modern thinker about the game. Whatever that represents, there's nothing that you don't understand. Your connection with people I've seen firsthand and you would have been a great candidate for any coaching position. It's saddened me that, it's saddened me that North doesn't quite have the foresight or

26:53the courage to have Simpson and Longmire right at the forefront of their thinking to balance up against what, what else is happening because the suite was wide open. I think they're too scared by the Clarkson experience which belongs to a totally different genre. I'm sad about that. What I am happy about is that we will continue on together because you enrich my knowledge of the game every day that we speak about it. Yeah. I think it's a little unfair on North. I don't think we need to go. That North, that's not, they, it was there. I know I had to have Mike. You can have your opinion on that. Yeah, well, I could have gone for it. There's no, they, they wanted me to. So I've decided not to and not, not because of the process. They could have done far more to craft away for you and John Longmire to be part of this and they've opted not to. Oh no, no, I think you, no, I don't agree. It's there. It's there if you want it, Jared. You got to want it. You got to want it. So let's, let's be clear about that. So your breath. Yeah, back as you cheesy range. Here's Nathan the newsroom.

27:56Want to have your say? Ring Jared on 1300 736 736. Now, back to waitly. We've talked a lot this year about being ready to play and winning against the best sides. And we, we proved tonight that we're not quite there. We went away from a few things that we were meant to be doing across that last 15 minutes of the game and these are things that are going to cost us big games. We'll get better. We'll, we'll assess that when we get back after a few days off and make sure that we're going to be our improved side in the second half of the year because right now we're not the best side at it and we need to be by the time September Rosarone. We recognise that we've got some work to do to, to be the best side in the competition which is what we strive for and we're not there yet. Are we good enough right now to go? We want to go? No, of course not. But is it within our grasp? Well, the latter says it is and our confidence in what we can achieve says it is. So let's see. The relentless pressure that we had on them in that game was what we thought it would be required and full credits of the players were being able to produce that level of effort for that long.

28:57So the only thing we know is that there's still two wins to go. You don't play this game and coach this game to, to get to preliminary finals. So it'll be a game to finals. That's the progression of EFI for a coach himself. Are we good enough against these good teams? When the evidence says we're not and then they have the, do we have PFI by the time we get to the preliminary finals? I thought that Ross has been collecting those from Sam Mitchell. That's absolutely perfect for the course that we go through a long a year. You could have asked him self question. Does everyone's working there? Are we good? Yes, we are. Do we? No, we don't. Yeah, and this has been building for a while. I don't think you get to pay a fee in one year, Jared. So there's always a bit of work done. And whether that's off field, we do the environment, your culture, your leadership, that's pretty cool. There are not many clubs get to this position. And sustainability is important as well, isn't it? They last year, this is now part of their groove that they're in. It starts at the top and then it works down to the stats on game day, but you've got to

29:59have the stability at the top first. I think for a longer term success. So we try to put a bit of a structure around PFI for today. Yeah, well, just what is it? You know, is it the evolution of a coach or of a list or of a team? But I think it starts with the club alignment, Jared. It's the chairman, you know, the CEO, the footy manager, you know, strengthening conditioning or those. That's the first piece of the puzzle that you've got to get that alignment right. And in my experience anyway, and then the coach is critical. You know, you've got to have a coach who's built for the big stage and I think all the coaches we see this weekend and Jay, Jay, all's the one that's, he's evolved hasn't he? He wouldn't have thought he's sort of in that category, but I think the body will work that freemant of Dana, I think he deserves to be there from a coaching point of view. Does it a little bit differently than the others? I think there's less strategy, more system. Whereas I think Sam, this week, well, he'll try and pick apart the lines a little bit more. Which is critical. And then you need your stars, you need your stars, you're spot on way back when I was

31:00at college, that was 23. 18. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, so and we can no longer talk about Sydney's non-starters. That's they're dumb. Just park them. So, you know, if you think about the four teams playing this week, there's probably four or five stars in each side. And even with Sydney now, with Gordon, Papilly, and Kerno and Grundy, they're stars. So, you know, so we can put them in the category, but they're probably coming fourth in terms of the game winning moments. Your health is important for PFI, especially in September readiness is what I've got here. Are you ready? And they all are. And then it gets to the stats and the game plan and the data and all that sort of stuff. You got to be good at offense. You got to be good at territory. Obviously team D's got to be sharp, contest and stoppage. And then you've got to have a bit of evidence about how you play against the best. Yep. So, that's my PFI in a loose way without going too deep into it. So, you put a nice structure around it to come up with an order for your PFI.

32:03Wow. Yeah, I did this last year and it was a genius in this year. I think I've got one right. But it, Hawthorne stacks up well with all those things we just spoke about from the management at the top to the stars to the numbers. And they rank number one for territory against top eight sides since round 10. That's what I was sort of looked back on. So they're in a good space. Team D's in a good space. The clearance works great, but they don't score from clearances. So that's probably the one that Kiles Hill. And I think the coach knows how to pick a part just one or two things, not ten things. Just how we beat Framant, Framant and we do these two or three things and still play the way we play. So they're ranked pretty high, the Hawkes. And Sydney is probably the lowest ranking just on the fact that they're playing a bit of a different style than they did four weeks ago for obvious reasons. So you've got Hawthorne one, Framant, two, Brisbane, three and Sydney four. That's not my personal thought. That's just what it puts down. That's just how it punched out. And then there's sort of one overarching question for each which I reckon we should play

33:05with. Hawthorne can clearance wins become a scoring advantage. Yeah. Well, that's what I spoke about earlier. So they get on top around the ball with clearances, can they actually get some results? So that would be something you can train. They would weak off. You can work on, you send about clearances to score. Let's see, we can score from these. Let's be more aggressive with our structure. Let's do a line out or let's get the forwards high. The disconnected forward sort of drifted away a little bit, hasn't it? Like it might be there on the weak. I mean, I'll be intrigued to see if they do it. Brisbane Lions can defense support their big game pedigree. Well, we've spoken with that all year haven't we? The ability to defend. Can they defend against the best? And we've seen it even on the weak end. Adelaide had a little swing and the game was over and a half time, obviously. Can they defend when the game is a shootout? Because they like shootouts but they don't like shootouts. They like shootouts one way. But that's obviously their Achilles heel and I think Foggs is desperate to get that right. You know, have the had their slip up.

34:06That was a mindset game two weeks ago. So that's going to be so good. I cannot wait for that game. Fremantle? Can they're attacking efficiency travel? Well, they're number one in a few areas, but their system, so they're not complicated. So they'll be looking at Sydney with a different lens because of what's happened with the personnel change and they'll go to school a little bit about the Brisbane game. I think it's 95%. We just do what we do. Good luck betting us. The other team might be 90%. So they travel well. I think they started traveling well before they started winning at home. So I think this is part of what JL said. I think they go in as heavy favourites. And Sydney, can the finals surge continue? It does get infectious when you push a button and it works from a coaching point of you and it was through no choice. They had to bring in some of these younger players but they look quicker. They're less metres game handle through the corridor and they're more tenacity.

35:08They didn't have that same tenacity, I think, with the different sides. So the numbers look different from the Brisbane game and even the North game looked a bit different that they're around 24 games. So it's just can they do it for two more weeks and what can... It would have been...it's not easy, but then Cox has built up for that final. I just would have been...not easy. I can't say easy. There's so many things you can draw on to be the best version of yourself on field. I just don't know if you can do that again this week and then in Grand Final but maybe you can. Maybe you can. David is texturing. Well, what the hell is PFI? I've been listening for a month and you've never defined what it is at David's. Sorry, we have actually been doing it for nine years. Preliminary final integrity. So it's what you've built, how you play and what you do. Will it stack up? Yeah, come the high pressure of a preliminary final. That's why we run it right through the mean test. We've done it for nine years just to assess teams that rise and fall. Will this stack up in these two games?

36:09Who are you interviewing? It's Adam Simpson, the eye of the coach every Thursday at this time. So it's nice to have new listeners at this time of year. Who do you think is the most resilient out of these four sides? Well, I think Brisbane is for all that they've picked up along the way but they're also showing themselves to be the most flighty out this year. They're trying to qualify for a fourth straight grand final. This is so rare in the history of the game that if it comes to a halt in a preliminary final, you go, well, they've taken it as far as it can go. If they do what they did in last year's preliminary final and tune up in the last stage where you go, holy hell. We had these conversations in real time. At the end of last year's preliminary final, they were going to win the flag. I think people sort of ignored the last quarter and a half of that game and went on the previous measure. Will they be tuned up or are they right at the edge of their run? It's just enough youth to keep the energy going, Joe. I think they've just inserted that youth where it matters most.

37:11The AI of the coach to finish here. Not easy. So we both took on the task here. You're a bully. Why ask my AI? You asked your AI. We just gave it the Dempsey vision. You gave it the raw. I gave it the vision that the arc would have used into the arc and got the. Yeah. So I put social in charge of the arc and said, give me your succinct verdict if you are in charge of the review of the Dempsey kick. Social came back with my decision goal. The enhanced vision gives me sufficient evidence to overturn the touch call. I can see Dempsey's boot make the decisive contact. I don't see a subsequent touch from Johnson and there's no discernible deflection consistent with one review call. There is sufficient evidence the ball was not touched decision on the scoreboard goal. But your AI behind, yeah, in sufficient evidence in this clip to overturn the original decision. So I'm telling you now, this will be judging the arc in whether it's one, two, three years.

38:12AI will be doing the decision making on the basis of the vision. I've never done it before. Just dragged the clip in and said, was this a point or a goal and it went through in detail? I'm not going to read it all out. And that's just with the 20-buck a month. Yeah, it's a big deal. So I put last night's clip sin from 360 and she came back with 25 paragraphs. And I said, just give me a succinct verdict. Yeah, I'm telling you, under three years, there won't be a human in there doing it. It'll be an instantaneous reflection and judgment. That's it, no thank you. Adam Simpson for SportsMart. Don't miss the million dollar cricket warehouse sale in Marabbon and online at thecricutsale.com.au. This is Wattley for Radius Telematics. Manage your fleet with Radius GPS trackers. Visit radius.com. Wattley on SEM. Toby Green is out of the giants and heading for the cats. We're in the trade bell with Sam Edmund in the next hour. And Adam Simpson won't go through the process for North Melbourne's coaching position.

39:12The first hour loaded with material lots of responses on the 40 Winks tempertex. The difference is Tempa Sando. We're strategy next. This is your town. This is your station. This is Wattley. This time every week we do strategy and we're down to the well in a lot of ways are the two decisive games of the year. Brenton Sanderson, welcome. Good day, Jared. I'm pumped up. I love pre-limit. I know. There's something special about all the next two weeks. This pre-limit final week and every year produces two unbelievable games. Always. There'll be gritty, there'll be mistakes. There'll be so much on the line as we know because the rewards are so high. I'm going to get to play off in the grand final. But then, yeah, and so many teams trip up on this one too because they're looking one week ahead. So, yeah, there's lots to play out. There's an emotional investment and then there's an emotional toll, which is vivid at every pre-limit. Yeah, it is. I just think the mental challenge of handling this pressure is immense.

40:18It can either, or it can inspire you, or it can really weigh you down. So I've seen players and coaches almost play out this game prior to it and just arrive at the game absolutely exhausted. So the nerves, the tension, the fatigue, it can overwhelm even the most experienced players and coaches. It's been so lucky when I look back on my journey. I've coached them. I played in one, but I sat on the bench for three quarters, which was the gelong Richmond game in 1995. But yeah, really lucky to be sitting in the coach's box for a lot of these games, which has just been awesome. But yeah, it's such a special week. These games are riddled with nerves. And we see that teams that are expected to win and sometimes they get through it. And sometimes they don't. How do you settle the nerves of the players and the staff in these games? Yeah, I think what you've got to do, Jared, is embed statements of belief to the group,

41:22including staff, because sometimes support staff have this ability to be able to make players nervous as well. So statements during the week like we are prepared, we are ready, we've got this, just helps your own belief, but also to consider the nerves of players. And I think if you just focus on small wins early in the game, so really measurable statistics that are achievable and pivotal to success, things as simple as, let's keep them to 20 marks or less in the first quarter. So that dials up your defense. Tackles head to head, first quarter. All right, we're going to win tackles head to head. That's all we want to do in the first quarter. And then we've got to win ground ball, which is a reflection of hunt and desire. I think it really helps in pre-limp finals too that every player should have absolute role clarity, because what I have seen is players spill over in. I have to do everything. I have to be everywhere and I have to be a goal kicker and I have to be the best player

42:22on the ground. So every player must know my job, my strengths and how can I make the team better when I'm not touching the ball. So every spot has been earned to this point, the 22 players or 23 players that will take the field will understand what their role should be. And then there's the non-negotiables. So I used to tell players, standards don't have feelings this time of year. So you're going to receive some direct feedback, so own it. So effort and role discipline, it must be expected and not have to be coached in this game. And then there's that team first language. So there are some great players in this industry, but what you need to ask yourself during this game is what does the team need before, what do I need or what do I need to do? It's what does the team need in this game? And I'll give you that. So yeah, game day feedback should be without emotion.

43:23Problems are spoken about really clearly, not panic, which I think is really important in prelim finals. And you need just standards and behaviors, police by the players, not the coaches. So I think the best teams in this game, you've got 23 coaches out on the field who are giving really strong direct honest feedback and it's actioned. There's nothing personal in this game because there's a job to do. And as I said, the stakes are incredibly high. I love that standards don't have feelings. Very nice. I'm going to carry that. You've given us a few to carry. I'm going to carry that one with us. All right, let's move to Friday night. Sydney and Freemantel, let's hear from Justin Longmeer to set the tone. We've got some evidence of what they've been doing. They've been hunting the opposition. Like I said, they've been playing a physical brand of footy and we expect the same brand. We've definitely not gone out there and get ambushed by what they're trying to do. We've seen it the last couple of weeks and seen it work really well. And I see them put 140 points on the flag favourites in the first one.

44:25It was pretty impressive effort. So you're going to have to go out there with a plan and talk about that game. That's what Justin Longmeer likes about the swans. What do you like about the swans? I like their system. I like their belief. But mostly I like their offense, especially in Sydney. So they're averaging 116 points from 11 games at the SCG. So their offense is awesome there. They've only lost once, I think this year, to Adelaide maybe in around 19. But they score from turnover. Their coach to coach ball movement is so effective. Their offense off half back is excellent. And they averaged 61 inside 50s per game. That's seven more than what free mantle average. So that's a significant advantage for the swans. But this year, their profile, it's fast, it's direct ball movement. They create turnovers. They score from half back. And I love their forward half connection. They've got multiple avenues to go. Yes, they've got the common medalist in their forward line. But it feels like they can score from anywhere there. So, and I think just the last thing that Justin Longmu has got to be aware of, the swans

45:29are excellent lading quarters. So they're ranked one in the AFL plus 13 points for scores in red time. So lading quarters, lading the game, Justin Longmu has got to be prepared that that's typically when Sydney are at their best. Past five games, dockers are conceding an average of 100 points. You caught me off guard with that one. What layer of concern would you put there given the defense first philosophy of Justin Longmu? That's a concern for Justin Longmu. Because that is his philosophy, defense first. And he's got to be prepared for Charlie Kerno, Logan McDonald and Tom Papley, who are coming off 16 goals between him. So Sydney, they have that genuine focal point with Kerno. But gee, you got to respect McDonald. He's in great form. And then who's going to go to the Ignite Act, Tom Papley? He's the pulse of the swans. He can't be allowed to impose himself in this game at any point, because he will get him up. I think what the swans, they get those repeat one-on-ones inside forward 50.

46:30They can win games without dominating possession either. So they just need repeat inside 50s, which means their forward pressure needs to be really high. And that defensive wall that they squeeze the ground, particularly the SCG, they get up, they get outside, and they lock the ball in their front half. So I think the tactic here for Justin Longmeer, it's not just to defend Kerno and their forwards. It's defending the kick to Kerno and the forwards. So I still, ignoring the previous five weeks, I still rate their defense system and strategy. They've been the hardest team to move the ball against this season. They typically force you wide. They force you slow. They trap you where they want you to have the ball. And they force you into risky kicks that they are actually waiting for. They're sweating on for you to turn the ball over in the parts of the ground that they want you to go to. So there's players like Clark who have got that license to go to run and spread, but they just set up really well behind the ball. So Ryan and Pierce are normally a little bit closer to goal. They've got great experience defenders.

47:30The game is spreading Cox again, which is a big loss. I think McDonald's a good player back there, but he's just looked a little bit vulnerable at times, I think, in the last two weeks when he's been isolated in contest. The good thing about Freemant's all over the season. If only conceded 50 inside 50s per week, that's a great number. So you just simply, you just can't generate enough good looks against him. But like I said, the swans average 61 inside 50s per week. So that's going to be pivotal if the swans offense can get on top of what Freemant will show them defensively. So I think the objective for Freo, force Sydney to kick it inside 50 from wide at the SCG, preferably under pressure, but just you can't give him the corridor. You can't give the swans the corridor at the SCG and they love to hit up at the ball. So those leading lanes, Freemant will have got to get back inside of them and pressure on the kicker obviously. So lots to work on, lots to prepare for. It could be an anxious night for just along me or in the box if Sydney get the ball through

48:31the corridor and fast. But if they get it wide and slow and they start dumping it in, it'll definitely work in Freemant's favour. What of the docker's offense? Well yeah, I think what they've added this year, and we were critical for a couple of years. I remember sitting here the last couple of seasons and we've talked about if Freemant will can't slow the game down defensively, they haven't got the offensive tools to be able to kick a winning score. But I think they're a much better balanced team this year. They've got great speed in that front half. They've got that dangerous forward trio that can be lethal if they get the 1v1s. I mean, Hawthorne stopped them two weeks ago. That's obviously the game that Dean Cox will review. But the short answer is yes. They have got the offense now that if this game becomes a shootout and if they win this next week as well, but I just think they've taken the next step this year with their offense, they used to have to grind you into a low scoring game to get the wins. Just feels like they've got the weapons now to hit the scoreboard without relying on those low scoring games. They can beat you now in multiple ways.

49:32How decisive could efficiency from clearance be and decide in the game? Yeah, discuss the swans offense against free mantles defense, but yeah, these are two excellent contesting clearance teams as well. So they've both got the dominant rucks. So Grandy and Jackson are two of the best in the business. Grandy will be that extra motivation. He missed out on all Australian, but almost impossible to surpass what Jackson and Gorn did this season. But that won't be his focus. He'll do whatever the team needs this week, Brody Grandy, to get him into a ground final. He'll be so wound up for this challenge. What's really interesting is this is the ranked one and ranked two sides in scoring from stoppage. So who's going to win that arm wrestle? It's going to be red hot inside this contest. You know, the team got here in my notes. The team doctors better pack some extra head bandages for this one because this is going to be low and hard and fiery inside this contest with two of the best clearance and contest teams in the NFL. All right.

50:32Give me some pegs here. What might ultimately decide the game? Well, we've seen that the skills that consistently decide the outcome of finals aren't flashy. So sometimes we get a bit seduced with the outside creative fast-running teams, but it's the teams that stand up under extreme pressure. The teams that have players that hit targets still under anxiety and fatigue. I'm going to look at the leadership in this game. So which teams leaders stand up, which makes me think now swans lose meals. So Sydney again, though, they just diffused and embraced every challenge that they've had to go up against this year. They've just got to go again with enthusiasm and belief that got them here in the first place. And once again, I'm sure Dean Cox will say that we'll have 23 fit talented young men that will take this field. But I just think Freyman should be expected to win this one. They've got their one at home, their one on the road. They've had a sluggish finish to the season, but they were red hot again last week.

51:34And I just think they're overall, overall profile this season. I know it doesn't guarantee victory, but if they're at their ruthless best in this pre-limf final, this pre-limf final, defensively with ball in hand, they're a good contest side, they're a great stoppage side, they've got the midfield depth. They just need their good players to rise to the occasion, I think Freyman. Welcome a really gritty, ugly game. Won't be a game of high skill. Won't be a game of time and space and finesse. But if the true competitors play well in this game, they raise a sharp, keep your focus, never be beaten with attitude, keep running when your body quits. That mental strength, I think Freyman will have enough in their kit bag to win this game. So I think it's probably two to three goals for the docus. The strategy for Freyman taking on Sydney at the SCG on Friday night. Brenton Sanderson is in the studio for Vanguard. When did you last compare your super? Hawthorne and the Brisbane Lions at the SCG is next.

52:34For City Power Melbourne's weather, cloudy atop of 16, before bad weather hits be prepared and sign up for SMS outage alerts all at citypower.com.au. This is Waitley for Hyundai, it's game on at Hyundai, where you can score great offers on a range of new and demonstrator models. Want to have your say? Ring Jared on 1300 736 736. Now, back to Waitley. I mean, that was a good wake up call for us, we were nowhere near good enough. I think we finished that game with some mirror looking and saying, what do we need to do? And as a collective, what do we need to do individually to make sure that we're ready to compete against this level of intensity, which they brought on that night, which we went up to. I think I said after that game, then I doubt if we played them again, it would be the same. And we'll see if that's true now. I think they probably had an off game. So I think you can't read too much into that performance a few weeks ago. It'll be entirely different this week.

53:35And we're not even talking about or showing any vision from that game, to be honest. It's a new contest, it's a preliminary final. They want what we want. So be different game. We're getting ready for the hardest game we'll ever play in this year. So that's our approach. Chris Fagan and Sam Mitchell set the terms for Saturday Twilight at the MCG. Brent and Sanderson runs the strategic eye over these matchups. So the Hawks are in the final four. Have they made the improvements across the season to now be genuine premiership contenders? Yeah, I think they have. This is going to be a great prelim. This is worthy of the ground final, really. This is an epic contest. I think they have, Jared. I think this year they've made the necessary adjustments. They're scoring more points from turnover, more times per inside 50 scores. They're inside 50 retention on the back of their four-and-a-half intercepts and forward pressure has definitely improved.

54:36And I just think they're scoring better from their defence. But they're getting faster transitioned. I know that that was sort of like all they had there for a minute. But when they win possession now, they look so damaging. So I think to build on that, so their offense is good. I think we've seen some defensive improvements again too. It's not just simply that they're conceding fewer points. I think they're intercepting opposition kicks a lot better, a lot more. They're holding up defensively one-on-one when the ball comes in quickly. That looks better this season. And what we saw in Perth two weeks ago, gee, their pressure, their pressure has improved as well. When they're in that sort of mood, I don't think anyone can absorb the pressure that Hawthorne can produce. The work in progress is clearance and stoppage. It hasn't been a strong area for the Hawks this season. But I still think they win enough first position. They pressure the opposition's clearance wins into dirty exits. So it doesn't come out clean. They typically defend the next contest post-clearance pretty well.

55:38And I think they run really hard to outnumber the next contest as well. So, and they got day back in there as well with Newcombe. So it's not as big a concern as what previously it was earlier, I think, in the season. So I guess if you want to summarise that, I think the 2026 Hawks they definitely have the ability to win the pressure battle. They defend so well behind the ball. They intercept the ball as well as anyone. They score from turnover. They compete at stoppage. They don't necessarily dominate stoppage. And they're a team that score heavily with so many different ways to hit the scoreboard. So yeah, I think they've gone from being an entertaining team to a premiership capable team. And they're ready to win it. What are the Lions profile? Are they still a premiership team? Well, I've got some concern. They were awesome last week. But when you look at their defence, so 2024, 2025, they ranked third in defence and sixth in defence. So in 2026, that's dropped. They're conceding two and a half goals more per game.

56:42They've still got those strong intercept defenders. They've still got a disciplined defensive structure. They still put pressure on. They've got midfields that still work back really well defensively. But the concern in 2026 is they're not defending as effectively as a collective. So tactically, Brisbane, they can see too many scores from our position turnovers. And that's putting enormous pressure on their offence to be able to score enough points to win. So it's just for me a dangerous equation in finals. So I think a premiership team needs to be able to win in a low scoring contested game as well as the open shootouts. So it just feels like the 2026 Lions appear a little bit more vulnerable if their attack is not functioning. So that's the concern for me with the Brisbane Lions. They're conceding two high scores and need a shootout to win. Let's make a couple of checklists then. If the Lions win, what do we see them do well? They're going to be great around the contest.

57:42They're going to win clearances. They're going to get a front half game. They're going to have enormous forward pressure. And they've got to have that forward half connection. That's the lines at their best when they can get those multiple scoring options in their front half. They need to replicate what they did against Adelaide. That's go fast through the midfield, access the corridor with calculated ball movement. So yes, be creative, play with dare. But don't let that spill over into reckless offence. So keep putting speed on the game because that's what the hooks have had problem with this year. But yeah, the offensive fast sides can give Hawthorne some grief. So still do that. But I still love Brisbane. They have genuine care for each other. You can tell that. And they've been taught how to play all phases of the game. And despite some injuries last year and the year before and they've had some challenges again this year, it still feels like the desire is well and truly still there for the Lions. But they're going to have to win this game with offence and contest. That's going to have to be the way that they're going to win this one.

58:44The Hawkes check list for success. They've got to make sure they see an improved effort around stoppage and clearance. And just play with a bit of a finals tempo. So when the game calls for it, slower, kick mark, bit of tempo, and then put speed on the game when you need to. So frustrate the Lions in this game by playing at a game speed that they dictate. And pressure wise, we love what we saw in Perth. Structured, high pressure phases were excellent. So can you take that to another level? Can you match whatever Brisbane dishes out? So if I'm the Hawkes, I'm talking defence and pressure at the brakes. So let the offence take care of itself. Just get the pressure balance right. So create scoring opportunities again from the defensive intensity in this one. Threats. Well Hawthorne's biggest threat B. It's going to be stoppage. So winning the contested ball might limit Hawthorne's offensive supply. If this becomes a stoppage game that Brisbane dominate. So I still rate Brisbane's midfield depth greater than the Hawkes.

59:48They still meet every challenge though the Hawkes through their midfield. But they've got to get that balance right in stoppage. One of their biggest threats might be Brisbane's small forwards. Bayley, Rainer, Cameron, Lohman, McKenna. They're all playing well. So Hawkes will be okay in the air, I think, with battle and baraston, Sicily. But you're going to need big games from AIMON, MP, Hardwick. They have to be their absolute best. And obviously still not lose that runoff halfback as well. You can't go into full defensive mode. But see what we saw last week from those small Brisbane forwards was just so good. What were the lines biggest threat B? Hawthorne's defensive system. So if the lines are slowed and they refuse to take the game forward quickly, I just think Hawthorne can take the ball off you. So if it's slow and they get great defensive system behind the ball, the lines might struggle to hit the scoreboard. We know that's their defence is vulnerable at the moment. But I think one of their biggest challenges for the lines this week.

1:00:49And I've just spoken about it for the Brisbane lines. Don't forget the small sort of Hawthorne too. Watson, Ginnivan, Moore, Macdonald. This game has just got so many electric small forwards in it. So if they get up the ground and then can work back fast, I'm not sure if Zorco will not fletch it. I've got the speed to go with Hawthorne's small forwards as well. And then you've got the Gunston matchup. You've got to get that right as well. Who's going to play on him? He'll get the 50-meter arc to himself for big chunks in this one. So the small forwards could determine the winner of this game for both teams. So no answer yet on Answorth from Chris Fagan, which the longer that goes, less likely he would be in Answorth's being the matchup for Watson. So that's a big swing as to whether he's there or not. But we know he hadn't been able to run last week in Chris Fagan's press conference this morning. No call there. So these are margin calls, aren't they? Oh, incredible. And you can make a bad call too.

1:01:49Yeah, at the selection table. Who wins? I like the Hawks. I just think with the week off, I think 10 to 15 points, which is what I said for the other game as well. But I don't know. It's just, I think Brisbane, if they get around, if they can get on top around Stoppage, it will be decisive. And once again, like I said, which teams smaller forwards have the bigger impact in this game might decide the winner as well. But this is going to be one of the games of the season. I feel this is going to be epic. So, um, great. You're on duty for it? Yeah, I can't wait. It's your excellent. It's a great game. Brenton Sanderson, AFL Nation on Saturday for the Hawks and the Brisbane Lines. So you've got free mantle and Hawthorne. Yep. Can't wait for next week, but this is going to be, this is going to be a good way. Enjoy it, Sando. Thank you, As Ever. Thanks, Stuart. Sandex, Strategy 2026 with Brenton Sanderson. For Macca's new cheesy range, here's Nathan the newsroom. It's final time. Oh, it's September 2, remember.

1:02:49Dependable defenders. Depend. Tackle every guy bladdle lights with depend guys. Still all the time in the world. Just under right minutes, we've all third man up. Opportunity for boy head down. Die that couldn't control it, we don't. Out of the congested at one zone. And arm on top. Next week, tracking it back. Touching it right on the shore. Watch it again for moment. It'll expand and that's brilliant. Depend. Get back to your best self. Tackle every day bladdle lights with depend guys. Nick Maxwell, Premiership captain, defendable defender. Yeah, in a final series. And let's hear from Dean Cox a short time ago. The two questions around Joel Amari and Justin McEnerney who plays on Friday night. Justin will play and Joel won't.

1:03:51So, yeah, that's just the decision we had to make. Obviously our four-line function really well with the way it was set up. The first time we understand. Three-manals defense and how strong they are in that aspect of the ground. You know, it's on all our players, certainly in our front half to try. Nullify and kick a score that we need. And, you know, obviously with Justin, he's had a lot of work put in throughout this period of time. And it's a matter of now backing him in. Justin McEnerney last played in round 13. So that's the seventh of June against St. Kilda. It's been the long road back. He has a terrific replacement with Kalamil's heading out. It's just what condition is he in first up in a preliminary final. And Joel Amari, who was off a similarly long break. He doesn't play. So, Dean Cox delivering the selection news at his press conference this morning. And Matthew Wade has retired from his big bash career. So, he won't front up for the Hurricanes in BBL 16. Many ways been terrific in the shortest form for both the Hurricanes and for Australia.

1:04:56But he draws a close to his BBL career. We're about to ring the trade bell. Toby Green is the big news of the morning. What is the ripple effect in all of that? Sam Edmunds trade bell. And all of your thoughts. So, ping them through. The 40-winks temper text is 043-911-16. Find your personalized bedtime solution with our neighborhood, our friendly neighborhood sleep advisors. 40-winks serious about sleep. Your thoughts for the trade belt. 044-3398-1116. The long form. Waitley at sen.com.au. And then that open line throughout the day. 137-367-36. Your nap, your partner for first homes and second stories. This is waitleyforpay.com.au. Business owners pay.com.au and start earning rewards today. Waitley on sen. For trade bell, for vanguards. When did you last compare your super? The pieces are falling into place.

1:05:58Some of the biggest of them fell this morning. I have spoken with Toby and we've been obviously in discussions pretty much on a daily basis as he's gone through. He's processed and this morning he's decided that he and Georgia looking to move back to Victoria for family reasons and with the intention of joining Jalong. So, that's the decision he's made. And we certainly respect that. He's been a very celebrated figure at our club. Very important person. And I know this has been a really tough decision. One he's largely made for family reasons. Dave Matthews, the chief executive of the giant Sam Edwin. Good morning. Hello, Jared. Yeah, the reset. Very much in full flow at GWS now. Isn't it another piece of that puzzle that we followed it all the way through big news morning, too, by the way, followed by Simo. So great listening there. And I know you just played the Justin McEnany News via Dencock. So plenty happening, but the story of the day is nut out about it. The GWS captain choosing Jalong as his club of choice for next year and beyond. Put some detail around it for us. So it is a three year deal.

1:06:58Now, the cats were hit hard when they were told they'd missed on Zach Buddies, but they're thrilled with this. They were informed this morning, just like GWS were, that this path that the cats have been on since early in the year. I first opened dialogue with Toby Green's management towards the start of 2026 has ended with him telling them that he's keen to play in the hoops. Now, it's a three year contract with performance incentives. Nothing unusual there, but it isn't and won't ever be as much as $1 million as season. They didn't improve their offer either, the cats. I know there was some reports along those lines, but there was always a if butters comes offer and always and if butters does not come offer. So that's why that probably came to light in that. If Zach Buddies had chosen Jalong and clearly given the size of that move, that would have had a ripple effect. And what is increasingly clear in this space, if people weren't aware of it already, as we broaden our chat a bit, is that this is about players interviewing clubs as much as it is about clubs interviewing players. They do their work, they do their due diligence,

1:08:00their homework on role, on coach, on lifestyle, on this management. I mean, you only had to listen to Toby once or twice to realize the depth of his considerations, particularly when it came to other pieces of various clubs, puzzles, he's been open. He also desperately wants to win and he wants to win a flag. So I think he wouldn't be gone to Jalong if he didn't think they wouldn't be contending in 2027. I'm not sure if there's going to be a ripple effect here or not. You suspect not. I mean, George Stevens might have been on the move anyway. I know Brad closest come up. He's contracted for two more. Grownmys has come up. He's contracted for two more. So I'm not saying one affects the other. Clearly, Zach Buddies had chosen Jalong and might have been in conversation in that space with those two guys, Grown and Brad, but that's not the case now. So I think he joins a Jalong side that it will be absolutely stacked in the front half. I can imagine Toby running around with Patty and Anjeza. And then you got Grownmys there as well. You got Brad Close. You got Oli Henry. How are they all going to, you got the dragon hat? They all going to fit in there. Shannon Neal. It's a deep, deep attacking half at Jalong in 2027.

1:09:02Would it be tier one compensation for the giants? Do you think? That's a very good question. I don't think it's long enough. So does greatness play a role in the formula? An age plays a role in the formula. He's the captain. Well, if Scott Pendlebury is getting compensation, if you run it all the way back. Because we're not given parameters to work, no one else. It feels to me like Toby Green should be tier one compensation for all that goes into it. Greatest player, not insignificant decline. Captain, it's still a lengthy tenure, not the super contracts of a player in their 20s, but it should trigger first round for the giants. Joe Dana Herr was younger. A lot younger wasn't he? When he went to Brisbane, he went nearly the player that Toby is. He went on a three-year deal. So I'm just trying to assess it on the parameters that we knew. Yeah, three-year deal. The money would have been about the same. And then Brisbane, as we know, a year later extended that contract out to make it more palatable for them. But yeah, possibly. I hadn't actually given it much thought,

1:10:03but it would have been the margins. You'd have a clearly... I'm sure it would be in the margins, but I would clearly have it as tier one compensation. Well, then that would be magnificent. Because the giants... It feels to me like the giants had offered three years at a million a year. Yeah. Yeah. So whatever he's taking that gelong is what the home club was offering. So how old is he now exactly? He's 30... Turns 32. Yeah. Oh, now he turns 33 in Grand Final Week. Hmm. So in a week's time, So it's three years we'll see him out in all likelihood. But I just think you have to put everything into the equation. He still would have been the giants third-highest player, I reckon. Highest paid player. How do you take in the contract? It's a good question. And it'll be... Yeah. That's a very good question. I'm just saying it'll be obviously tied to GWS's latter position, which is pick seven as it's there. Yeah. So it's... My view is it should be pick eight. That's a good pick.

1:11:03Probably most people will hold the view. It should be the end of the first round. But I think greatest ever player, current serving captain, active offer of a million dollars a year, that's tier one. That meets tier one to me. Okay. While we're talking compensation, Gold Coast and many others stunned that Scott Penderbury would draw it, that's going to affect Ben King clearly. He won't be... I mean, he'll end up getting traded for pick 75 or something, which is farceical really for an icon of the game in the games record a lot. But that's what the rules demand. So that's what Gold Coast are going to have to do. They're not thrilled with it. I don't think Colin would have ever thrilled with it either. They could be listing Colin with they're not going to do that. Optically, that would be even worse. So he's going to go there, trade-off for a very late pick, Scott Penderbury. He signed a playing contract for two years. He's going to be 40 before he sees this contract out. It's on about AFL average wage. So somewhere between five and six hundred a season, two years of play, we know the coaching element comes there after. And just with Zach Merritt, we were speaking about contracts yesterday for him. If he is, as all parties expect,

1:12:04gets his way to Hawthorne, four-year contract at around a million dollars a season. So four million dollar commitment. I just wonder what that looks like as well. A few players have been brought up in this space. If you go back to Henry Houseweight last year. Now, no more as Hawthorne listeners will know very well. 2020-80s signed until the developing back at Hawthorne, 198 centimeters. I think Essinand have asked the question here. Now, I know he's been linked to the suns, given the Ben King move south. And I'm pretty sure he said he had no interest in a move. He wants to stay and play for his spot at Hawthorne. And I don't expect that to have changed. But I think we'll find Essinand have asked the question in and around that Zach Merritt move and how that looks. It's a lot of people who love Merritt's. Yeah, including it. A push to have him in the preliminary final team. Yeah, there is. There is a push. Yeah. So I don't watch enough second-year footies to know. But I'm like you, I look at the, there's a lot of interest from the Hawthorne family, as it were, in this guy. I'm sure they'd be devastated if he left. But I'm not saying that's happening.

1:13:04Just something that maybe Essinand might have been quite about. So a lot of people can't see past the 33-year-olds. Ben from Ben thinks he's not worth a packet of chips. An expensive packet of chips that they were offering him a million dollars a year, Ben. Is I'm not sure you're taking the whole picture into the equation at the moment. Yeah, indeed. Hey, just Joel and Marty, like the weight goes on here. So I can't imagine a scenario where he tells Sydney he's joining Carlton while the Swan's season's well and truly alive. In the meantime, he's been wanting a better deal from the Swan's, that better deal just hasn't been coming. So I think the jungle drums on a Māori decal and just continue to be stronger as we go. I just want to table that one. That's not anything new, but just looking more and more likely. Can I just take you back to the genesis of the Trade Bell in 2026? That turns into the ghost world. You're a list, right? You gave us certain days. Zach butters. Bulldogs. Jack Stranger. Still in the wind. Ben King. Done. Yep. Going to Hawthorne. The Mabies.

1:14:05Toby Green falls today. Digelong. Locking Neil as soon as the line seasons over, he'll fall to Collingwood. Zach Merritt, four-year deal to go to Hawthorne. Kalshadea. Still in the air. Bukukamas has resigned. Zach Bailey has resigned. And Jolomati there is decision time comes as soon as Sydney's season is over. And then the Hale Marries. Dan Houston. Still in the wind. Still in the wind, I reckon. Tim English is settled. Yep. Sean Darcy, once we get to the end of free-mail season. Matt Raul. A lot of kicking the tyres on Matt Raul. Yep. Scott Pendlebury was a Hale Marries. Yeah, really? Jeez, what date did we do this? This was a good few weeks ago. Straight after the home and away season. Yeah, okay. Kyle Lomon. Yeah, well Brisbane turning their attention to him now quickly. Yep, they want to get that one done. He's out next year. And Nick Murray. Yeah, it's interesting this one. That North Melbourne Red Hot Interest. Pretty big offer from Arden Street. He's contracted 11 games this year. So, a few whispers that maybe add a ladigging in on him with Jordan butts on the out. But we'll see where that goes.

1:15:06There you go. Good list to start. Qtos to you. Well, we've got a few to follow up though, don't we? Yeah, and one of the early adopters from our audience on the trade bell was Oli Hollins. There was so much Oli Hollins. Three years. Yeah. And that was another one that North Melbourne were riding to as well. So, yeah, I've been trying to get the back story and that the way he's season ended, pretty positive under the new coach, wasn't it? So, he's seen enough to recommit there at the Blues. Chris's text through the so many texts. You have no respect for the actual compensation rules. Chris, we don't know what the greatest mystery in football. There are no rules. It's the herbs and spices. Surely you've followed along enough of a trade period to understand that. Colonel Sanders sort of there. It's completely esoteric what they do with compensation. There aren't any hard and fast rules. If there were, this would be much easier to judge. Certainly worth following that one, isn't it? To find out where that would sit. That's a big piece for a GWS team who were trying to, as I say, reset themselves and reengineer something going forward.

1:16:07Yeah. Sam, thank you. Thanks, Jared. Big morning. TradeBelford Vanguard. This September join the Vanguard. Super September challenge and take a closer look at your super ping them all through. We read them all. We collect them. And sometimes you'll get a phone call from Sam if your information is either good enough or sketchy enough either way. Or if you surprise people yesterday when I ring them. This is waitly for Radius Telematics. Maddage your fleet with Radius GPS Trackers. Visit radius.com. Want to have your say? Ring Jared. On 1300 736 736. Now back to waitly. Might be my favorite message of the year. Kanga, you sent it to me instead of your dad. Hey, dad, can't believe that goose you listen to every day. Waitly says Toby Green is worth. Pick eight. Band one. Compo. Just send it to your dad. Not to me. Kanga, good on you. The 40-wigs Tabletex 043 98 1116. The difference is 10 per watt. $5,000 worth of electricity credit for your business. Visit the SEM web site's win page to find out

1:17:08how with next business energy. This is your town. This is your station. This is waitly. Alightly morning on the program. Toby Green is leaving the giants and heading to Jolong. Adam Simpson won't take pass in the North Melbourne search for its next coach. This time every Thursday we reach know your history. 40 years of the Brownlow Middle on television. And it has always been thus. It's all happened before. We'll sit down on Monday night and see a count. And wonder, could it be more? Should it be like that? It shapes as the greatest one-horse race, perhaps, that we've ever seen. So let's go back in time. The Brownlow Middle on TV is know your history. 7 sports presents from the Renaissance President Hotel in Melbourne. The 1994 Brownlow Middle Couch. Your host, Bruce McAvaney. Good evening Australia.

1:18:08For the first time the greats, past and present have gathered at the Renaissance Hotel in Melbourne for the Brownlow Middle. So in just a few moments time, a night of high school and for a night of high school. The unmistakable grandeur of the Brownlow Middle on television Shannondill, welcome. Morning, Jared. Are you looking forward to Brownlow night? Always. Always. I know how this year ends. Yes. And we might go through some things today that might might be good to employ this year for the Brownlow. Given that. The endless debate around the Brownlow on television. I love this as a subject because during the week, I've had numerous suggestions. How they should do this, they should do. Why do we have to do it? And it has all happened before. Yes. And if there is a rich tradition of people critiquing the Brownlow Middle on television. So if you do it this year, you're not the first. This has been happening ever since it went onto television. So and look, the topic Brownlow Metal on TV is quite broad.

1:19:12We'll just work through some of the eras. It's not a complete history, but we'll work through some of the eras and narrow it down a little bit. Taylor Swift style. Yes. Error one, the origins. OK. OK. So we go back now, pre-t television of the Brownlow, what happened was the votes would be called on radio. And the winner would be at home. And what would happen was media would listen to it on radio and then work out, oh, Dick Reynolds might win it. We better get McCarran driver in a Dick Reynolds's house to get the first interview with him. So this is sort of how it worked. There was nothing really happening. Now, I've got a clipping from the year before. So this is 1969, the year before we went to a television Brownlow. And Kevin Murray, the Fitzroy sponsors hold a dinner for him or hold a dinner that he's at. And they have the radio on with the votes. And as the night gets goes through, they start saying, oh, well, we'll actually get him.

1:20:13Kevin's winning. And then eventually they have the radio on for the finish. He's lifted above the crowd. And the journalists have all worked out by that stage where Kevin Murray is on the night because they've gone to his house. He's not there. I know he's at a dinner. So they go to the dinner and they get the snap of his. It's so good. Peter McFalen writes, with 300 of his teammates and friends at the Lion Hunters dinner in the Victoria Club, Queen Street, the Lions Raw, when the result was broadcast, rattled the rafters, Murray jumped on a table and smiled and waved to the throng. Yes. So that was how it was like before we had television broadcasts off the brown line. So we get to 1970. And this is when TV starts. So TV starts for the brown line. So it's reported earlier in that 1970 season that the league may open the brown line up to television. And they were studying films from Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania, who had televised their own state league counts.

1:21:15Which is again, an example of Victoria copying everything that our supposed smaller states have done. Or if you don't like the brown line, it's WA, South Australia, Tasmania is a fault for inflicting it upon us. So yes, Peter McFalen reports, brown line, it's a Galar night. The Victorian Football League has decided to make the counting of votes in this year's brown line medal, a public function, being that public could go along, but also that it would be broadcast on television. Now, the way it actually looks on the night, I've managed to track down a photograph. Awesome of what it was like. There's not much reporting on it. But so it's at Sedellisbrook's Hall. And you have the auditorium, which is the public attending. And then on the stage, we have this quite elaborate set up with what I would guess is a table of doubt club delegates, some onlookers who are seated in sort of, in audience style. Look like scrutiny. Yes, scrutiny is. And then you've got a little stage where the votes are counted.

1:22:17And then you've got behind them all the leaderboards. And we'll go into a bit about how the leaderboards happen in a minute. So it's somewhere between a telephone and an election night. Yes, it's a lot like that. So this is how things were done and done into the 70s. Each club, well actually, in some ways into the 80s, each club would have a leaderboard, manual leaderboard on the stage. And at this point, it was manned by each club's captain. So the captain would, when they called out, in day cost two votes, Ducy Moore would have to go and grab a number like an old-style scoreboard and put it on the leaderboard. Now, so the clubs did their own, as in the club captains looked after the road. And I believe the umpires looked after the overall leaderboard. So that was how it worked. As I said, the public could buy tickets to these initial events, but eventually it becomes a dinner, like we know it now,

1:23:19which early years, it's very much a male-dominated dinner. You can see in any footage, you can see the smoke coming up. But yeah, as I said, through the early 70s, the captains are still putting up the votes, which is quite a novelty of it all. The money for the rights, so in 1975, the money for the television rights was $5,500, and it went into the players' provident fund. So the players got all the money from the Brownlow television rights back. So that was sort of how it was running in the 1970s. I love every piece of this that you provided. Brownlow, seat of boredom. Let's assume that people want to watch the counting of the Brownlow metal votes, granted a dubious assumption. But let's pretend anyway. Would it be possible having accepted that to produce a more turgid piece of live television than HSV7 plagued us with early up this week? Brownlow metal count resembled an unnecessarily prolonged

1:24:20and difficult birth. The spectacle of numbers being hung on a board of Mike Williamson, dutifully sipping, Spotsorial, ale, and elderly officials muttering and chumbling amongst themselves, induced a mental state akin to mesmeric trance. Oh, the two reviews. The 80 reviews that they were getting in the 70s. So when someone complains about the Brownlow metal count on TV on next Tuesday morning, remember they were doing it in the 70s, now there's reference to the fact that the captains were putting up the votes. So in the Doug Aiten review, the back sides of League football captains are arguably in better shape than those of other less physically inclined members of the population. That's hardly an excuse to train television cameras on them for two hours. So the cameras were, guys, the captains on stage putting up the votes. That was what you saw on the screen, seeing their back sides. So I love this. If past years are anything to go by, this is 1978.

1:25:23This two hour telecasts will liven up only for the final 10 minutes. Tidious football in talk and meaningless early vote counting make it poor television. Oh, if only for a two hour telecast. Exactly. So this is even, that was from the TV guide. This wasn't a review. This was in the TV guide. It's the preview. Don't expect much, yeah. So in 1978, there's a shift, it shifts to Grand Final Week to become part of this Grand Final Week spectacular. What it does is we examined the Caesarea Wars last year because they only the awards had Grand Final Week. Channel seven took the Caesarea Awards, bumped them back into the end of the home and away season. Because up until 1978, the Brownlow was held at the after the last game of the home and away season so the Monday before the first final. So it switches it all around. The Brownlow is now in Grand Final Week Monday. Channel seven, around this time, they start to take it a little bit more seriously. So we start to get some highlight packages of marks of the year.

1:26:25That sort of thing. But they also, the way they ran the broadcast. And this is from 1980, is that you would have the host on stage. But it was like they were broadcasting a match because they had commentators calling the action. Pissenden, T Watson. Jimmy Watson moving to 17 votes now. So it's a Nagel 20 more 18. Watson 17, Blake 16 with Smith 16. Putz Gray, Kay Templeton. Templeton now going to 17 votes. So it's sure anybody's well-known. It's just thrilling. So that went all night. You'd have them, Jack Edwards and Bob Skilton commentating as the votes get laid out. Now, there's more to that, which we'll get to a second. So look, there is a bit of an urban myth that by the late 70s, captains were updating the boards with phase out. There is a bit of an urban myth that Channel 7 staff

1:27:26were on strike one year who were up to the boards. And the VFL staff had to update the boards. But they were used to getting on the drink at the brown low and score boards were sent tumbling and all sorts of stuff. Not sure if that's actually true, but that's a story that has been told. The format, so that this format holds through the early 80s. Now, I would say that the reviews got a little better. A little better. So Alan Atwood goes, neither the Victorian football, the Channel 7 are renowned for subtlety or moderation when the two combined forces, as in tonight's live telecast of the brown low middle and presentation, the result can be truly mind numbing. So yeah, it's still not that good. I mean, there's other reviews. In 1983, it's a bit better. They talk about that, well, surprise, surprise, with some smartly edited football highlight segments, a brighter use of the technology for club tools and at club titles and a tense final quarter.

1:28:28Seven found itself with a well-rounded chunk of sporting. And it's only last night. So there is some positive signs coming through on it. But we get to this next era. And this is, if you didn't, and I didn't live through this era, but if you didn't know the brown low pre-9 and 84, you're going to be a bit amazed about how the brown low is actually run. It's the reading of the votes. So the most notable difference to how the night runs in the 70s and 80s to how it is now is the vote reading. So what would happen is you would have the boss of the league, Jack Hamilton or whoever, up on stage, they'd start the night and it wouldn't be round one, Collinwood versus Jolong. It would be, okay, we're going to do all the one votes. Then later in the night, we do all the two votes. Then later in the night, we do all the three votes. Which really does make you wonder whose idea this was. And the ones, twos and threes, are not in order of round one one votes.

1:29:30No, they're just randomly shuffled. It's hard to get your head around. Here's some audio of just how the three votes were counted. Round the count continues. Joint leaders, flour and dimfcy, as we commence the all-important part of the evening, the cutting of the first preference three votes. Once again, Mr. Hamilton. Melbourne, be Wilson. Brian Wilson's being up only his second score for the night to go to four and it's surprising that Blindenning, the pre-match favourite or the pre-night favourite, has not yet swastoured. G Smith. So what came with the association, Henry? No one knew. Nobody knew. So it wasn't like... So the next day in the reports of the... Who won the brown though? It wasn't like, well, Nick Deicos came with a round after round 15 and won't... It got, you know, five straight best on grounds. No, it was players surged in the two votes, or players surged in the three votes. So Brian Wilson is just piling for the second time with his three votes, which he will then go on to accumulate enough three votes to win the middle.

1:30:31Now, so they would do in a third into the night, you would have the one votes, the one votes, and it would be completely unclear as to have the favourites for polling because you haven't heard any threes or twos yet, you've only had one votes. So if you haven't got many votes, you might be in a better place to win. So there's also this speculation that the three votes were not randomly shuffled and therefore ceded to stage a finish. Now, here's what happened in 1972, an example of it. Melvin, G-Well, how's it going, level? How's it going, level of Thompson? They both are on 22. Ladies and gentlemen, there is one vote to come. This is the final vote. Pollywood, L-Thomps, Thompson's won it. He's won it. It's won the last vote. 25. Oh, it's going to spin the rest of my afternoon watching these all count. Sadly, there's not many of them on, which is difficult.

1:31:34But in the 70s, for example, three times in four years, a Melbourne player had the medal taken on the last vote inverted commas for the night. So this sort of... It was kind of kept up by the leg. Oh, no, no. We randomly shuffled. It just happens that every year the last vote wins. Great. Ironically, in this year, in 2026, this system would actually make for a better count. Yes, for Nick Taykos, because we might be over by around 15. And this will at least prolong it later into the night to know who would win. How you found a sneaky little clipping here? I word about the Brownlee telecast, not to tell the VFL how to do things, which I doubt one could. But I recall that the medal count in Western Australia takes a different and more suspenseful form. In that state, votes accounted by calling the teams which played in the particular game, then giving third, second, and top votes for it. So we stole it from the VFL.

1:32:36Yeah. And who to think it? That's a better way to do it. So what happens is in 1984, we actually changed it round by round votes, as we know now. Now, the reasons why is... It's Hawthorne and Michael Tucker, the reasons why. Michael Tucker didn't pull a vote in 1982 and 1983. And Hawthorne were very, very angry, made a formal complaint to the league about how the hell can't one of our best players get a vote. They wanted transparency as to which rounds the players got votes and which umpires were giving the votes. That is the reason it went to round by round. It wasn't like, oh, this would be much better for people at home and for anyone following it, it was because there was complaints about transparency that we don't know. Because in the finish, back before 1984, so and so would we get 25 votes and win the brown low. But you got no idea what games he got the votes in. So the mystery ears. We got the bills and whistles here and next.

1:33:43Oh, yes, I know the sound of that. Shannon Gilles knows your history of the brown low on TV that bills and whistles here. So this is the 90s. That's that actually started in the late 80s, the use of the untouchables in title, which still is still used today. It's been used for nearly 40 years. So in the 90s, we have Bruce McAvaney stepping into the hosting job. We get that orchestral fanfare through the night. Bruce would do a walk through the, through the the foyer of the of the Rattison or wherever it was and explain the rules to that fanfare. The highlights packages go to another levels. The sandy robots plays the year that gets genuine laughs in the room. The marks the year within the space of a couple of minutes, you have some sort of power ballad and get 50 great marks rather than just hear the three marks the year that we get today. So lost art, 40 TV is the highlights package set to music.

1:34:43But there was some stuff that probably wasn't as popular. One day, this one week year, that this bizarre opening package of people playing pool in a pub and discussing who might win and really bad acting. But if there's one thing that lasts from the early night, or the night is the bells and whistles era, it is this. The sun would come to that time of year. Coaches and players together around here. Tension is high, the neck ties are tight. All the way we take Charlie from tonight. Did Rosie catch the Empire's eye, this Scotty one. Rain in the fly, we'll Nicki McGowan take possession for my all hearty the same. Take Charlie from tonight. Ooh, make the speech. We're the team. I have no memory of that. Oh, you're just fries.

1:35:44And this is the thing. So we still taught, use the phrase, take Charlie home, don't we? So for three years, and it might seem like longer year, it went for longer. And yeah, the chorus fires up about now. Take Charlie home tonight. So it wasn't on every year. For three years, we had this take Charlie home that started the brown low. And it's still in the language today, isn't it? Like we still talk about take Charlie home. Each year there would be a new set of verses written, which incorporated who could be the winner. And with the iconic Charlie home chorus. Now, do people like to take Charlie home, not from what you provided?

1:36:44No, they hated it. So I read this one. As foodie becomes more and more professional here, we've begun to fear that the daggy, sometimes tacky entertainment, traditionally associated with the finals may become a thing of the past. But last week's brown low metal telecasts convinced us otherwise. The who'll be taking Charlie home tonight, jingle, was a throwback to all the really bad stuff when we've come to love about September. There's Rowan Colley. I'm not surprised Rowan Colley wrote these five worst things about the brown low. Number five, and while we're on music, that who'll take Charlie home tonight theme, they keep trotting it every year. Sorry guys, it's a dud. So the one, the bad take though, so the music's no good. But who'll be taking Charlie home tonight, ask Channel 7 last year, and they appear to be asking it again. It's a misguided attempt to provide a chatty nickname for the brown low, as if that will somehow make the event more lighthearted and enjoyable, but it's caught and it's held on. Like it was only used for three years this thing,

1:37:46and 30 plus years later, people still refer to it as taking Charlie home. Now, those reviews aren't great. You would think that it would be pretty discouraging whoever came up with that song, who would be behind that song, pretty discouraging. They might have ran away from the bright lights and said, well, that'll probably do. But Bruce, the first year it was on, Bruce actually told us who was behind, who'll take Charlie home. Well, that song that we heard just before the commercial break was from Eric Banner and Harry Nannos, a part of Power Team that was called Take Charlie Home Tonight. Eric Banner? Eric Banner, well, I assume there's only one Eric Banner. Eric Banner was behind, who'll take Charlie home. You couldn't find it, I couldn't find it on any CV of years. That's so great. That Eric Banner was part of the Who Take Charlie home. I like Who Take Charlie home, I'm gonna say. I reckon it's pretty good.

1:38:47So yeah, that's sort of, but that's emblematic of the 90s. Reviews were, well, slightly better. No, no Brian Curtis is going to be watching the Browl Hotel in the years, past has been about as much fun, has been force-fed, cold meat pies and flatbread. Yes. I think Diane Dempsey, she sums it up pretty well. Channel 7 in recent years may have changed a venue from the Southern Cross to the Rattleson, may have employed every computer in the Southern Hemisphere, use brilliant graphics and sloppy songs while they show the footy highlights, but they still can't disguise the fact that the night is tedious, daggy and quintessentially Australian, and that's the reason I think we love it. No, I love it, daggy. It gets out of the daggy. No. Finish off the bells and whistles area here with a bit of crawl. This is where they got it right. So in 1999, they took the Browl Hotel to Sydney, which was a bit of a controversy at the time, but it did make for one of the most genuinely touching

1:39:48Browl Low moments. Seven had set up a video link in the River Arena to Finley RSL, in Case Shane Crawford I, and Shane Crawford wins, and they do this really brilliant emotional cross. Shannon Gilles, know your history, the Browl Low on television that we hit the Naughties and we hit the Wags era. So the Wags era, and I approached this with some trepidation. The genesis of the Wags era, or the Godmother of the Wags, is from 1990, when Steve Silvervoney's partner Joe Ghost, the 1990 Browl Low, creates a stir, just who's this person. The next year she's the co-host of Sailor Century, and this starts a tradition that gathers momentum in the 90s, but into the 2000s it goes gangbusters. So in the early 2000s, is when nine and 10 have the rights. So particularly channel nine, they just go all in with red carpet.

1:40:51So it goes from a little package of, once upon a time, it was a little package of, as players and their partners come in, that asked them both, who's gonna win? And that was it, to early 2000s, where it is, straight to the partners, who are you wearing tonight, all of that sort of stuff. It's the sophistication, if you wanna call it sophistication, of the Browl Low, that seven were hoping for in the 90s. In the 2000s, it becomes like the Academy Awards, or like maybe more like the Logis than the Academy Awards. So they have musical numbers to open the Browl Low, which has not been done before. More and more attention on the glamour and celebrity element, you've got Shane Crawford, it's one of the favorites for the Browl Low, but he's hosting the red carpet and talking about dresses in the lead up. So that's where it was going. In 2004 though, it officially crosses over into Wagland. And I think it changed the culture of sport in this country.

1:41:53This is Chris Judd in his victory speech. Funny about that, because I was reading the other day that you in fact don't read the newspapers. You watch very little television, you don't like the publicity, make your own trouble. Yeah, I mean, a bit of stri-foner. I've black banned the papers. Not with Rebecca's dresses tonight. I've definitely black banned them, so. LAUGHTER APPLAUSE No, I know what. I've been stressing about the double sided tape or not, so hopefully. It was a different time. Sort of. Sort of. But it's the four-unit of everything in the court. It is that it might be other than the Lua Suites. It might be the most iconic moment of all. It probably is. In the television era, it is the most iconic. So the next day, there's more photos of Rebecca than Chris and Chris is one of the brownlow. And it changes everything. From then on, we are full on. We are in half an hour red carpet programmes before the brownlow starts.

1:42:54And unsurprisingly, we go too far. We do. And we get there in 2011. 2011. So this is from the heraldsson. Women have reacted angrily to Channel 7's brownlow metal blue carpet broadcast on Monday night. The introduction of a fashion pod, a revolving platform to parade footy fashionistas, was slammed for being a bad taste rotisserie and likening women to yum cha. Sam Stoam's wife of Melbourne president Jim said the broadcasts are treated women like objects. How do the wags stand a chance when asked to display themselves on a giant lazy Susan? This is this immediately comes to mind. Oh, this was, I mean, thankfully, that we went to that point, meant that we came back. We came back a step. So all sorts of people talking, the Victorian women's trust policy officer Sarah Kappa agreed saying, it reduces the partners to comparisons on a yum cha menu. Channel 7 was unrepentant. Viewers have said they wanted to see more of the outfits and that is where the fashion pod idea came from.

1:43:58It was an innovative way of showcasing the stunning, frocks and fashion. But they did repent. The rotisserie was ditched, I think, gradually we have become a bit more enlightened. There is a place for fashion and the partners, but a little bit more respect and decorum about how we go about it. So that's how we got here. We want to finish today by delving to the 1986 Brownlow Metal. Is this peak Brownlow television we're thinking? I think this is the most chambolic slash hilarious finish to a Browlow on TV in history. And if you're not quite sure whether it's good TV on Monday night, just remember that this happens. So this is 9.86, Robert D. P. Edamannico and Greg Williams tie. And this is how it plays out as the final votes are read. W. Locans, three votes. Equal winners, Williams of the swans, D. P. Edamannico, our fourth one, both on 17 votes.

1:45:05Greg Williams, 30, D. P. Edamannico. The first one. The first one. All right, that's cool. So yeah, Panamonium. Bill Locke and getting the last votes. It's a lot of Bill. Bill Locke and yes. So Dipper and Diesel, they make their way up onto the stage. They're getting the handshakes and the hugs from everyone as they go up. And as they sort of reach close to the stage, wait, Peter Landy in the hosting chair has some late breaking news. All moves. Once again, third in the round of metal, according to Dipper's RB-Checks. That is the slight lower that we have at the moment. There is no, of course, count back. So we have to be exactly sure. The guys are waiting. We're waiting. I'm sure the man with the most personalisation, though, is Gary Clayton.

1:46:09I think we'll have to buy Gary a pelky later for the next year to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Oh, Peter can't disguise his disguise. What's going on? So from what I can deduce, it's a tie and then there's panic on the VFL people counting the votes and when, hang on a second, have we got this right? Do we need to recount the votes? So you've got Greg Williams and Robert D.P. At a medical, they're standing to the side of stage. They've both been handed a can of fosters. We must do the fosterisation of sport at some stage. Yes. Mind you, Dipper's playing in the grand final, but he has a sip. So they're standing there awkwardly while they recount the votes. Finally, Peter Landy is back. We're all breathing in what easy a jack. It is a tie for the 86 Braille. And just to finish off, that's not it.

1:47:10Because Dipper gives us one of the all-time great brown low-winning interviews. In the markets and the discussion between the Elisabeth's next votes, your name was never mentioned. I'm not quite sure what the unofficial bidding was on it. Did you give yourself much of a chance? Yes. Not really, but I got a dollar on it and 50 of the ones. That's all right. Did you give yourself any chance early in the count? No chance, what's it about? I can't even for the free feed, actually. So, Dipper with his famous brown low-middle speech. So, best, worst hilarious. I don't know. That's probably my favourite brown low-fitch. Yep. Yep. Oh, I'm going to have to go back and watch that this afternoon. There is some brown low-middle, there's lots of brown low-middle audio video on YouTube. Red Bartlett's got a heap of it up. Worth having a look just to see how we did things back in the day. And there's also, look, we could have got it all sorts of other

1:48:10directions like the time that they had Paul Ruze in a studio in LA and he didn't get a vote for the first half of the broadcast. And a few other bits of that. I think there was a, I was involved with a couple with Channel 10. I think there was a Luke Darcy year where everything was set up at the pub and he was the raging favourite and he was out of business after sort of six rounds. What Wayne Shoss was in hospital with, well, what was termed food poisoning one year and they had a hospital, they had a video on him in his hospital bed and they'd flash to him if he got worse. Which I thought if you have the food poisoning in your in hospital, the last thing you want is a camera in your face. All right, so that's a sweep through the brown low-end television. Have you gone a little jam with the fish? Oh, I sure swed. I just think I'm a big fan of the Take Charlie home. So can we just, can we just finish with the final, the final, Take Charlie home, the climax of Take Charlie home.

1:49:28They were really committed to the idea. Well, absolutely. Backing vocalists, everything, they put a lot in to take Charlie home, only used for three years. But not on Eric Banners, I am D.B. No, no. So if Eric's listening, is it true that what is you? I mean, I don't think that's him singing, but maybe he wrote it. I don't know. But if anyone knows at Channel 7, Eric Banner was at Channel 7 in that time frame. So it kind of makes sense. It does. It's fun. All right. So when we're watching the brown low on Monday night and you're humming away, you'll win that. We're okay from. Exactly. So I would say to Channel 7, if you want to liven up the brown low this year, you could still call Eric to get a new version of Take Charlie home. Shadow Girl. Thank you. Thank you, Jared. Know your history with Shadow Girl.

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